SoxAce Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) Disagree. He has shown some flashes of being a really good player, he just doesn't understand the NBA game yet And he's got one of the better bball I.Q guys in the game (not just big man) in Gasol to learn from. Pau is extremely intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 09:44 AM) Says the person who's already knocking the Cavs out of ECF. Guys, no one is betting against the Bulls here. I am saying the Bulls just have ways to go. Which should be expected with all the new faces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Lebron with 11 assists last night, must have just said f*** it I'm doing this now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:44 AM) Says the person who's already knocking the Cavs out of ECF. Guys, no one is betting against the Bulls here. I am saying the Bulls just have ways to go. Perhaps I haven't explained why I don't believe the Cavs are legit contenders this season, let me explain why. I have never said the Cavs aren't a deeply talented team, there's no doubt that they are. I don't they're ready to contend THIS year is because aside from LeBron and a few of the older role players, the Cavs main stars have zero playoffs experience, including their HC. You don't instantly become a playoffs hardened team in year 1. I might've exaggerated by saying the Cavs won't make the CFs, it's the East after all. They definitely wouldn't make it in the West, that's for sure. They have the pieces to be a championship team, it just won't happen instantly like some of you guys apparently think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) Perhaps I haven't explained why I don't believe the Cavs are legit contenders this season, let me explain why. I have never said the Cavs aren't a deeply talented team, there's no doubt that they are. I don't they're ready to contend THIS year is because aside from LeBron and a few of the older role players, the Cavs main stars have zero playoffs experience, including their HC. You don't instantly become a playoffs hardened team in year 1. I might've exaggerated by saying the Cavs won't make the CFs, it's the East after all. They definitely wouldn't make it in the West, that's for sure. They have the pieces to be a championship team, it just won't happen instantly like some of you guys apparently think. We saw it come together in a year with the '08 Celtics. Of course, that was the best defensive team of all-time. The whole "never been to the playoffs" stuff is overrated and overblown. Face it, mex. You hate LeBron. You spent 4 years trashing, crying and whining about the Heat and now it's on to the Cavs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 02:49 PM) We saw it come together in a year with the '08 Celtics. Of course, that was the best defensive team of all-time. The whole "never been to the playoffs" stuff is overrated and overblown. Face it, mex. You hate LeBron. You spent 4 years trashing, crying and whining about the Heat and now it's on to the Cavs. Come on man, there was tons of playoff experience on that 08 celtics team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) Come on man, there was tons of playoff experience on that 08 celtics team. The big three each got to the conference finals once. Other than that, there was a whole lot of getting knocked out the first round or missing the playoffs all together. Rondo/Perkins had never played in the playoffs either. This no playoffs stuff is just dumb. When all the smoke clears in 6 months, who the f*** in the eastern conference is going to beat them in May? The Bullls will never get to the next level with a 6'1 pg that can't stay healthy for more than a couple weeks at a time and absorbs as much payroll as he does. Toronto? Wizards? Heat? Edited November 8, 2014 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 06:22 AM) The Bulls are 5-1 and have had 3 starters miss games with injury, had perhaps the games best 6th man miss time hurt are working at least 4 new guys in to the rotation, and there still is panic. Just like with the Cavs, assuming good health, betting against the Bulls will make you look clueless when the season is over. And betting against a Thibs team to be poor defensively and not be able to rebound and play with hustle is also foolish. This will be the best non-jordan bull team in franchise history when all is said and done, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:05 AM) Disagree. He has shown some flashes of being a really good player, he just doesn't understand the NBA game yet I agree. He had two games where he played very well (Orlando game and Minnesota game). Very quick, great deep shot, but more impressive is his ability to put it on the floor and even pass while driving. I've been very impressed early on with almost everyone on our roster offensively. Defensively…well it takes time to get everyone on the same page, it will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 10:11 PM) A lot of our projected increase in talent lies on those guys. Our 3 biggest acquisitions were Gasol and the 2 rookies, plus return of Rose. People are raving that this would be the best Rose led Bulls team yet. But if rookies can't make a major impact this year, then I don't think we are actually better than years past. It's early, but I am saying that, we too, have a long way to go. What rookie plays defense well the first 5 games of the season? Hell, the first half of the season? Those guys are learning the nba game. It's going to take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) Come on man, there was tons of playoff experience on that 08 celtics team. It goes back to what I said earlier about having established veteran winners on the team. Outside of LeBron, Cleveland doesn't have that. Miami had it. Boston had it. The Cavs don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 06:16 PM) It goes back to what I said earlier about having established veteran winners on the team. Outside of LeBron, Cleveland doesn't have that. Miami had it. Boston had it. The Cavs don't. What "established" winners did Boston have before '08? Oh that's right. They had none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) The big three each got to the conference finals once. Other than that, there was a whole lot of getting knocked out the first round or missing the playoffs all together. Rondo/Perkins had never played in the playoffs either. This no playoffs stuff is just dumb. When all the smoke clears in 6 months, who the f*** in the eastern conference is going to beat them in May? The Bullls will never get to the next level with a 6'1 pg that can't stay healthy for more than a couple weeks at a time and absorbs as much payroll as he does. Toronto? Wizards? Heat? They had experience in the playoffs, that's the entire point. And more than just the big 3. The entire argument you are trying to dismiss is that the entire team except Lebron and Varejao has no experience, which is somewhat of a big deal. Teams of rookies don't just kick the door down in the NBA QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 06:40 PM) What "established" winners did Boston have before '08? Oh that's right. They had none. Come on, you just want to nitpick here now in order to say the Cavs are gonna get to the ECF. Ok fine, these players, while getting to the playoffs(therefore earning playoff experience) did not have Finals experience. Happy? There ya go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 01:53 PM) Perhaps I haven't explained why I don't believe the Cavs are legit contenders this season, let me explain why. I have never said the Cavs aren't a deeply talented team, there's no doubt that they are. I don't they're ready to contend THIS year is because aside from LeBron and a few of the older role players, the Cavs main stars have zero playoffs experience, including their HC. You don't instantly become a playoffs hardened team in year 1. I might've exaggerated by saying the Cavs won't make the CFs, it's the East after all. They definitely wouldn't make it in the West, that's for sure. They have the pieces to be a championship team, it just won't happen instantly like some of you guys apparently think. The meaning is contender is ambiguous here. If they reach the Finals, they are legit contenders. I don't think anyone on these board is picking them to win the Finals over Spurs or several other teams in the West. As of now, both Cavs and Bulls are heavy favorites to reach ECF. If anyone thinks otherwise based on their starts so far, they are overreacting. As for who will that matchup, I like the Bulls chance better than ever, but I still think Cavs will win the series 6 times out of 10, when both teams are healthy. Edited November 9, 2014 by thxfrthmmrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Dougie throwing knees and drawing fouls! Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Watching Brooks pass the ball has been fun thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Our defense is definitely horrific at the moment Pau is doing his part to make up for the yelling we lost when Carlos went away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 We shud trade dat Rose gie and sign Brooks kid long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Brooks might as well just get a 4 point play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 This really is Nate Robinson all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I'm ready to say that Pau is worse defensively than Boozer. The blocks Pau gets don't make up for his atrocious feet and laziness nor his awful rebounding. I don't know if he's just struggling with the workload or what, but he absolutely kills us on D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 10:17 PM) I'm ready to say that Pau is worse defensively than Boozer. The blocks Pau gets don't make up for his atrocious feet and laziness nor his awful rebounding. I don't know if he's just struggling with the workload or what, but he absolutely kills us on D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Yeah I feel like Gasol is a huge reason why we're giving up so many points so far this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 The Golden State Warriors are the best team in basketball atm. They have no weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 09:17 PM) I'm ready to say that Pau is worse defensively than Boozer. The blocks Pau gets don't make up for his atrocious feet and laziness nor his awful rebounding. I don't know if he's just struggling with the workload or what, but he absolutely kills us on D http://deadspin.com/the-lakers-suck-so-god...-sho-1654894742 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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