MexSoxFan#1 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (Boogua @ Feb 6, 2015 -> 09:18 PM) They're a very good regular season team. Great teamwork and lots of effort. I don't see them doing much in the playoffs though. I can't think of any teams making or winning the finals without a hall of famer on their roster. Maybe the mid 2000s Pistons, but I think a guy or two makes the hall off those teams Just out of curiosity, who do you think is HOF worthy? The Wallaces? Chauncey Billups? I just don't see it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 03:15 AM) Just out of curiosity, who do you think is HOF worthy? The Wallaces? Chauncey Billups? I just don't see it... I think Ben definitely makes it. 4 DPOYs is a lot. I also think billups has a solid chance to make it. The nba hall of fame is the easiest to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (Boogua @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 08:04 AM) I think Ben definitely makes it. 4 DPOYs is a lot. I also think billups has a solid chance to make it. The nba hall of fame is the easiest to make. Ben Wallace? A HOFer? If so, the pro basketball hall of fame has loose requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 08:44 AM) Ben Wallace? A HOFer? If so, the pro basketball hall of fame has loose requirements. Reggie Miller made it. That's all you need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not sure we should use Bball HOF as a benchmark for anything. But what hurts most of those Pistons was lack of longevity dominating. But for 4-5 years Wallace was dominant, bill ups was dominant. But can the Hawks do it? Who knows. They are clearly the best team in the east right now though, so prematurely discounting them just by guessing how they'll do in postseason sounds silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Hinrich out, Dunleavy still out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 12:12 PM) Hinrich out, Dunleavy still out Yay! Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 09:28 AM) Reggie Miller made it. That's all you need to know. There are a bunch of weak selections to the hall. Miller is weak on paper, but his career was far more memorable than people like Calvin Murphy, Mitch Richmond or Alonzo Mourning. Dennis Johnson looks pretty bad on paper, though he has a lot of defensive accolades. Rodman has already been mentioned. Edit- On second thought, Rodman hasn't been mentioned. If he's in, Wallace definitely should be. Edited February 8, 2015 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I keep hearing people talk about Ginobili and Pau as hall of famers and that's just a joke to me. Paul Pierce isn't even a HoF to me but I know he's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) There are a bunch of weak selections to the hall. Miller is weak on paper, but his career was far more memorable than people like Calvin Murphy, Mitch Richmond or Alonzo Mourning. Dennis Johnson looks pretty bad on paper, though he has a lot of defensive accolades. Rodman has already been mentioned. Edit- On second thought, Rodman hasn't been mentioned. If he's in, Wallace definitely should be. He had a few moments, granted huge moments, against the Knicks and a game-winner over MJ. He's severely overrated otherwise. I'd take prime Joe Johnson over Miller and Johnson sure as hell ain't no hall of famer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) I keep hearing people talk about Ginobili and Pau as hall of famers and that's just a joke to me. Paul Pierce isn't even a HoF to me but I know he's in. Ginobili gets a lot of credit for his international play whenever he is brought up. It's kind of like the Arvydas Sabonis pick, only Manu has done a lot more in the NBA. The other two are generally going to be in under any HOF's standards because they were key cogs on championship teams. You can add Chris Bosh to that too. It really doesn't take that much to get into the basketball HOF. They LOVE inducting basically any remotely successful college basketball coach. The NBA should really start their own basketball HOF and tighten the standards a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Alonzo Mourning is in the HOF? Oh God. Shows how much I care about the pro basketball HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) He had a few moments, granted huge moments, against the Knicks and a game-winner over MJ. He's severely overrated otherwise. I'd take prime Joe Johnson over Miller and Johnson sure as hell ain't no hall of famer. Miller is a weird one. He didn't have the most diverse game, but he was an insanely good shooter and his Indiana teams did pretty well with him as their best player. He's kinda like Richard Hamilton on steroids. I've never been a fan, but given the standards they've set, he's in. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to separate individual players from team context with the NBA. Guys like Alex English, Bernard King and the previously mentioned Richmond put up good numbers on bad teams, so did they really matter? On paper, they were better than Miller, but Reggie's teams were more successful despite mediocre talent. Then you get guys like Johnson that don't have great numbers but were a key player on 3 championship teams. I would assume the argument is he'd have put up better numbers if he weren't playing with Bird, McHale and Parrish. We've seen how the team context can alter numbers recently with Love and Bosh. It gets even more annoying when you have to compare across eras. Dear lord Bob Cousy, why did you shoot so much! He was a no-doubter though. It's an annoying argument once you get past the legends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 12:50 PM) The other two are generally going to be in under any HOF's standards because they were key cogs on championship teams. You can add Chris Bosh to that too. Which just annoys me. Pau and Pierce have been very good/great players but neither of them have ever been a top 5 player in the league. To be in the HoF you should have to be one of the best players of your generation and neither of them are close imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) Alonzo Mourning is in the HOF? Oh God. Shows how much I care about the pro basketball HOF. To me, his peak was too short and he missed too many games to be in. However, he was a 21-10 guy with 3 blocks during his peak. He had the unfortunate timing to be in the same draft class as Shaq and also had to contend with Robinson, Hakeem and Ewing for most of his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 01:13 PM) Which just annoys me. Pau and Pierce have been very good/great players but neither of them have ever been a top 5 player in the league. To be in the HoF you should have to be one of the best players of your generation and neither of them are close imo. Top-5 isn't going to be the same every year though. Pierce isn't better than Duncan, Kobe, Lebron, Dirk or KG. He's going to compare pretty favorably to guys that were making All-NBA in the late 90's like Tim Hardaway, Rod Strickland, Stephon Marbury and Reggie Miller though. You need a historical perspective as well as a current one. He's got to be a top-20 wing player ever, which should merit an induction unless you have a really small HOF. Edited February 8, 2015 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Nice debut for McGary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 02:26 PM) I can't ever remember watching SportsCenter and having them talk about someone being inducted into the NBA HOF. There isn't an NBA HOF, which may be part of the issue. There's just a "Basketball Hall of Fame". They lump the NBA guys in with college coaches/players, foreigners, contributors to the game, female players and referees. Hell, there are 10 TEAMS in the basketball HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 01:42 PM) Top-5 isn't going to be the same every year though. Pierce isn't better than Duncan, Kobe, Lebron, Dirk or KG. He's going to compare pretty favorably to guys that were making All-NBA in the late 90's like Tim Hardaway, Rod Strickland, Stephon Marbury and Reggie Miller though. You need a historical perspective as well as a current one. He's got to be a top-20 wing player ever, which should merit an induction unless you have a really small HOF. I'd have to look more into it but he just doesn't seem like a HoF to me. But yes, my HoF would be real small compared to what we got now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 So if Reggie Miller is in the HOF, the Hawks DO have a future HOFer, Kyle Korver anyone? Commence crapping of pants fellow Bulls fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) So if Reggie Miller is in the HOF, the Hawks DO have a future HOFer, Kyle Korver anyone? Commence crapping of pants fellow Bulls fans... I hope you're kidding. Reggie averaged 18 a game for his career and cracked 20 six times. Korver's career high is 14.4 back when he was still a Sixer. Reggie as a higher career TS% too. The Hawks' closest is probably Horford, which isn't terribly close unless he wins several rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) So if Reggie Miller is in the HOF, the Hawks DO have a future HOFer, Kyle Korver anyone? Commence crapping of pants fellow Bulls fans... Korver is more like Craig Hodges (R.I.P the record?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 James Dolan is one of the dumbest owners in sports. That is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Good Jimmy game in one where Rose has nothing. Defensively Bulls have nothing in a real bad pau d game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Kirk is hurt and Doug and Niko still can't get minutes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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