bmags Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 How much stock do we put in David Schuster's sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) God damn I'm going not going to last this. This will end up killing me. I hate being such a pessimist on this topic but don't let yourself get excited, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 01:46 PM) How much stock do we put in David Schuster's sources? Can't be worse than Chris Broussard's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Question about the S&Ts...can they happen before free agency starts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 Jesus. Friedell is becoming Jay Mariotti 2.0 http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bulls/post...-in-bulls-pitch When was his last positive article? Everything is so f'n negative. Not even "real" or "this is the truth," just straight up "i'm gonna s*** on this story because i'm a Debbie Downer." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 06:47 PM) I hate being such a pessimist on this topic but don't let yourself get excited, man. That doesn't work. There is nothing else to do right now. This is the most dangerous time for rumors like this to start. There isn't enough sox news to fill the void. This is sucking the soul right out of me. After he stays, I can't wait to start psychoanalyzing how he doesn't want to win. How do people keep not seeing that the Bulls are the perfect fit?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) Question about the S&Ts...can they happen before free agency starts? If you do a S&T and don't include Nikolai (sp?), the Bulls would likely be over the cap and still have access to the MLE which means we could use that to sign Nikolai. And off-season with Nik and Melo without losing Taj would be pretty good. Big key after that is to find another outside shooter or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 01:51 PM) Question about the S&Ts...can they happen before free agency starts? IIRC, they can be agreed to, but they aren't "official" until a specific point in the future. Same with all draft day trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 Ok, now this would be awesome http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/source-chi...ption-for-melo/ As ESPN’s Brian Windhorst reported, if the Knicks believe Anthony’s departure is inevitable, they could get Boozer and the No. 16 or 19 pick in Thursday’s Draft in exchange for Anthony. The Bulls would have to make the pick and then trade that player to the Knicks in July, Windhorst reported. Making the above deal with the Bulls would allow Phil Jackson to get the first-round pick he has been looking for and to potentially add a young point guard, perhaps Syracuse’s Tyler Ennis, to replace the beleaguered Raymond Felton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That would be insane. TBH, I looked back at Lebron's S&T with Cavs. They actually gave up 5 picks total, with zero leverage as well. I thought we'd actually have to give up a bit of a package for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 03:36 PM) That would be insane. TBH, I looked back at Lebron's S&T with Cavs. They actually gave up 5 picks total, with zero leverage as well. I thought we'd actually have to give up a bit of a package for this. Eh, two firsts between 2013 and 2017, 2 seconds, and the ability to swap. Any NBA team is going to give that up and not even care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 03:36 PM) That would be insane. TBH, I looked back at Lebron's S&T with Cavs. They actually gave up 5 picks total, with zero leverage as well. I thought we'd actually have to give up a bit of a package for this. That would still leave the Bulls with this year's first round pick, Mirotic, Gibson, Butler etc. Subtracting Melo for Boozer? My god. Talk about too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) That would be insane. TBH, I looked back at Lebron's S&T with Cavs. They actually gave up 5 picks total, with zero leverage as well. I thought we'd actually have to give up a bit of a package for this. IIRC that sign and trade was almost entirely done for salary reasons, but the details escape me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 08:47 PM) IIRC that sign and trade was almost entirely done for salary reasons, but the details escape me. I don't remember either, it was pre-2011 bargaining agreement that gave home team 5th year so I don't remember it anymore. Maybe it was to get bird rights for him or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 08:46 PM) That would still leave the Bulls with this year's first round pick, Mirotic, Gibson, Butler etc. Subtracting Melo for Boozer? My god. Talk about too good to be true. Tax-wise, would they still need to trade butler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:00 PM) Tax-wise, would they still need to trade butler? Not sure to be honest, but at that point you are back into "go for it" mode. You've got Rose Melo and Noah to anchor the rest of the team. Bring in a rotation guy at #19. Heck you could even take a chance on a potential top 10 guy like Mitch McGary who could round out this team really well if he were back to his old self. If not, there are tons of 2's out there to look at, like Robinson III from UM, Adams from UCLA, McDermott, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) That would still leave the Bulls with this year's first round pick, Mirotic, Gibson, Butler etc. Subtracting Melo for Boozer? My god. Talk about too good to be true. Too good to be true usually is. Phil would get skewered in NYC of he settled for Boozer and a pick in the second half of round 1 all while helping the Bulls. Some seats in MSG are over $1000 a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2014 Author Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) Too good to be true usually is. Phil would get skewered in NYC of he settled for Boozer and a pick in the second half of round 1 all while helping the Bulls. Some seats in MSG are over $1000 a game. The other side of the coin is, how does everyone react if Melo walks away, for nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:13 PM) The other side of the coin is, how does everyone react if Melo walks away, for nothing? There's that stupid rumor about the Cavs trading their #1 pick to the Knicks...lol. I doubt the Cavs are THAT stupid. They can sign Melo out-right. They don't have to trade a pick to do it. I also don't think Melo would go to Cleveland unless they had LeBron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:13 PM) The other side of the coin is, how does everyone react if Melo walks away, for nothing? So paying Boozer $15 miilion saving a rival from having to, just for a mid first round pick, is better than just letting him walk? This is too good to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 04:18 PM) So paying Boozer $15 miilion saving a rival from having to, just for a mid first round pick, is better than just letting him walk? This is too good to be true. It's an expiring contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 That deal would be fantastic....Assuming they want the 16th pick I'd take Jordan Clarkson @ 19. A guy who could backup both Butler and Rose. Then snag Jordan Bachynski in the 2R to backup Noah. Rose/Clarkson/Vet Butler/Clarkson/Snell Melo/Dunleavy/Snell Taj/Mirotic Noah/Bachynski/Smith If they have to trade Dunleavy to make room for Mirotic then sobeit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 You guys are still crazy if you think it's just gonna be Boozer and a 1st. There will be more pieces to make salaries and such work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 05:22 PM) You guys are still crazy if you think it's just gonna be Boozer and a 1st. There will be more pieces to make salaries and such work. One thing I haven't figured out is how much you're allowed to inflate/backload a contract to get around the cap limit. Could the Bulls conceivably offer him $16 mil this year and $22 million every other year of the deal and pull things off that way, with Melo only giving up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 20, 2014 Share Posted June 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Ok, now this would be awesome http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/source-chi...ption-for-melo/ That is way too good to be true. Would the Knicks really see benefit in taking on Boozer just to get a 1st round draft pick? I would think we'd have to give up one young asset (either Taj / Butler / Nik) + draft pick. Is Boozer somehow a FA at the end of next year? Otherwise I don't get why Knicks would take on that contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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