HuskyCaucasian Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:36 AM) Haslem opted out. You also aren't including cap holds. I was factoring in Haslem resigning at a similar or slightly lower rate. I have no idea how cap holds are calculated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 If Wade and Bosh take huge cuts to stay in Miami, they will have to be given several extra seasons IMO. LBJ is going to want out in a couple of years if he stays there. It will be a good team incapable of winning it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) Everyone gets posterized. Hell, it happened to me in intramurals in Carbondale. Lol I know that, all I'm saying is the word poster gets thrown around too much, in my day, what Pippen did to Ewing was a poster. Nowadays, if you flash by a dunker and are almost within camera view, that's a 'poster'... Just had to get that off my chest, back to the subject at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 03:41 PM) I was factoring in Haslem resigning at a similar or slightly lower rate. I have no idea how cap holds are calculated. If you are under the cap you have to include the minimum to fill out the rest of the roster. I don't think Haslem will make more than 1 million next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:36 AM) Why can Melo make more on the max than him? They have the same years of service. I'm confused, an ESPN.com article says $20.7: "The max number for James is projected to be about $20.7 million. " However, CBS quotes the same ESPN artcile with $22.2: "The max number is projected to be $22.2 million." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 08:44 AM) If you are under the cap you have to include the minimum to fill out the rest of the roster. I don't think Haslem will make more than 1 million next year. I thought they said he was getting between 3-4M per year. He opted out from 4.6M per season and was going to take a slight discount. I don't believe that discount was all the way to $1M. Thought they said no lower then 3M (and were going to add more years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) I'm confused, an ESPN.com article says $20.7: "The max number for James is projected to be about $20.7 million. " However, CBS quotes the same ESPN artcile with $22.2: "The max number is projected to be $22.2 million." The $22 million figure is actually right. LeBron can make up to 35% of the team cap, which is rumored to be around $63 million this year. That's at around $22 million. Anthony can sign for that or for 105% of his previous contract with the Knicks, which would be around $22.5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I think the Heat thing is going to be very interesting. If these guys come back, you are going to probably have a lot of teams asking the commissioner to step in. Below are some interesting snippets from Wojo (best NBA reporter in the biz as far as I'm concerned). It would be one thing if Wade truly takes less money but if they all sign for these "reported" deals, you wonder what amounts of "circumstantial" evidence would be needed to get the league to pull a CP3 veto attempt. The other question is whether it would be for the good of the league to try and block said superteam (kind of like they did with CP3 and the Lakers). Of course, another could argue that having a "thorn team" could actually be good for the league, as long as other teams have legit shots at upending them. Before the official start of free agency on July 1, Adrian Wojnarowski reported that the Miami Heat had "the framework of deals in place" with LeBron James, Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade and Udonis Haslem to remain with the team. "Everybody has their [contract] number and has left a little bit of room to let [Pat Riley] maneuver," one source briefed on the contract discussions reportedly told Wojnarowski. The NBA's collective bargaining agreement, however, does not allow a team and players to have an "express or implied" deal in place in what essentially becomes a restructured contract. The risk of loss for Wade and Haslem would be severe since the contracts they opted out of are considered vastly more lucrative than what they would command as free agents on the open market. The following text is from Article XIII of the CBA in regards to circumvention: Section 2. No Unauthorized Agreements. (a) At no time shall there be any agreements or transactions of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), express or implied, oral or written, or promises, undertakings, representations, commitments, inducements, assurances of intent, or understandings of any kind (whether disclosed or undisclosed to the NBA), between a player (or any person or entity controlled by, related to, or acting with authority on behalf of, such player) and any Team (or Team Affiliate): (i) concerning any future Renegotiation, Extension, or other amendment of an existing Player Contract, or entry into a new Player Contract; ----- © A violation of Section 2(a) or 2(b) above may be proven by director circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, evidence that a Player Contract or any term or provision thereof cannot rationally be explained in the absence of conduct violative of Section 2(a) or 2(b). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Why is Haslem so important to them? The guy is replaceable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) I disagree. Last year when he was getting starters minutes, he was very productive and his offensive game has improved significantly. Not sure his efficiency has changed but he's far more productive and more dangerous a threat and defensively he's extremely good. Last year was actually his best year in terms of TS% (not by much), but as the other poster said, his rebounding numbers were way down. So overall, his offensive efficiency wasn't any better than in previous years. It was definitely encouraging to see Taj maintain his offensive efficiency with more minutes (a lot of bench players have trouble doing this) though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 (edited) eh. The NBA let the Heat tamper with Lebron and Bosh by way of Wade as a proxy. They wont do anything. Nothing you can tell me will change my opinion that the Heat knew full well what was going to happen that offseason. They just "happened" to have exactly enough cap space. Edited July 1, 2014 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) Why is Haslem so important to them? The guy is replaceable Because he opted out of $5 million. Haslem is awful, but he shares the same agent as Wade and Bosh. He'll get paid somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 give them the Joe Smith treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) Why is Haslem so important to them? The guy is replaceable Because he opted out with a nudge and wink that he'd be resigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 09:00 AM) Why is Haslem so important to them? The guy is replaceable He opted out to create flexibility. It would be pretty poor taste to then kick him to the curb. If they did, it would make it more believable that this whole thing isn't predesigned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Marc Spears just tweeted out that Warriors still have not budged on Thompson. So I guess that whole "deal already agreed to now it's just the little pieces" was full of crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 10:36 AM) Why can Melo make more on the max than him? They have the same years of service. There is a difference between Max with your own team, and max with a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 09:11 AM) Marc Spears just tweeted out that Warriors still have not budged on Thompson. So I guess that whole "deal already agreed to now it's just the little pieces" was full of crap. It was always a load of crap. I don't believe that the Warriors will offer Klay. I think things will get interesting on Love once the FA bonanza slows down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) give them the Joe Smith treatment. Even better, void all deals, and ban them from resigning with the heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 11:12 AM) There is a difference between Max with your own team, and max with a new team. Right. The 20.7 million figure is based on the old salary cap. The new one should be $63 million. So LeBron should be able to make as much as $22 million since he can make 35% of the cap. Melo can make 105% of his $21.5 million figure with the Knicks last year, which puts him at $22.5 million. Both can sign for 5 years with their current teams as opposed to 4 if they signed with a new team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 09:13 AM) Even better, void all deals, and ban them from resigning with the heat. To be honest...that is what I'm hoping for (if that is what they did). Hard part is proving that front office was involved vs. just the players all talking and saying they are / were going to do X and then they just had to hope that ownership would do it. And maybe ownership / management just said come to us with your plan and we'll go with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) To be honest...that is what I'm hoping for (if that is what they did). Hard part is proving that front office was involved vs. just the players all talking and saying they are / were going to do X and then they just had to hope that ownership would do it. And maybe ownership / management just said come to us with your plan and we'll go with it. Which is still a violation of the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Meanwhile we are all cheering on Noah to collude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1, 2014 Author Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 11:18 AM) Meanwhile we are all cheering on Noah to collude. Players are allowed to do what they want. Front offices are not. There is a clear distinction there. Welcome to the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 1, 2014 -> 11:18 AM) Meanwhile we are all cheering on Noah to collude. The Heat did this and nothing happened to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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