2nd_city_saint787 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) Correct me when I'm wrong.... Hypothetically they trade Taj for a pick, that moves them to roughly 55mill of a 67mill cap. At that point assuming the timing is right, they could then sign Green/Wes first, then sign Butler, and then still use the MLE? Edited May 31, 2015 by scs787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 ISU could never land true bigs, it wasn't so much a devaluing of those kinds of guys by Fred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Dream scenario if that last post I made was possible.... Sign Green. Use the MLE on Jason Smith. Draft Tyus Jones. Rose/Jones/Moore Green/Snell Butler/McBuckets Pau/Niko Noah/Smith If guys like Snell and Dougie turn into good shooters that team would have range for days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (scs787 @ May 31, 2015 -> 05:13 PM) Dream scenario if that last post I made was possible.... Sign Green. Use the MLE on Jason Smith. Draft Tyus Jones. Rose/Jones/Moore Green/Snell Butler/McBuckets Pau/Niko Noah/Smith If guys like Snell and Dougie turn into good shooters that team would have range for days. Hinrich will certainly grab his player option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ May 31, 2015 -> 04:15 PM) gasol is obviously awesome and an upgrade but what a ridiculous team structure to have pau noah marc and niko. Not sure why he was even mentioned. The assumption would be Noah taking a drastically reduced role so that he can be pseudo-healthy. C - Marc (34) / Noah (14) PF - Pau (28) / Niko (16) / Noah (4) SF - Snell (20) / McDermott (20) / Niko (8) Ok, yeah, it does look ridiculous. But it'd be awesome. I also just crunched the numbers and it wouldn't be possible. So...whoops. Would need to trade Noah, which as much as that would hurt to see him in another uniform, I'd get over it for Marc. Plus, is there any doubt that Noah would have a return tour a la Kirk, hopefully in a reduced role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (scs787 @ May 31, 2015 -> 04:31 PM) Correct me when I'm wrong.... Hypothetically they trade Taj for a pick, that moves them to roughly 55mill of a 67mill cap. At that point assuming the timing is right, they could then sign Green/Wes first, then sign Butler, and then still use the MLE? The short answer: no. The long answer... 1) You can't use the MLE if you use cap space to sign free agents. It's one or the other, not both. 2) They would only be able to do a Taj deal like that if the team receiving him is far enough under the cap to absorb his entire salary. If not, trade salary matching rules apply and the discussion gets a lot more annoying. That's a fairly limited pool of teams to draw from. 3) That $57 million figure isn't totally accurate because of cap holds. You need to be able to field a full roster with a minimum of 13 players and pay your draft picks. That $57 million assumes Jimmy at his $3 million option and is only for 9 players. Near as I can tell on a quick search, Jimmy's cap hold is actually $5 million unless something is signed. There's also a hold of around $1 million for their first round pick, plus the minimum salary times 3 more spots (I believe it's around $1 million total for that). If you add those, you basically have the same thing as the MLE. You also have to renounce the Bird rights for any other free agents to clear their cap holds (the most relevant being Dunleavy). Edited May 31, 2015 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The latest mock draft on SheridanHoops says that the Bulls are exploring the option of trading Taj and/or Noah. Says the Bulls and Celtics have been the 2 most active teams in trade talks (not with each other). http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/05/30/mo...-and-then-what/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 according to hoops rumors the Bull will sign Fred today. http://www.hoopsrumors.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:40 AM) The latest mock draft on SheridanHoops says that the Bulls are exploring the option of trading Taj and/or Noah. Says the Bulls and Celtics have been the 2 most active teams in trade talks (not with each other). http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/05/30/mo...-and-then-what/ That is the scenario which gives the Bulls the cap space to go for Love / Aldridge / Gasol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 if you can get some value out of your draft picks, that will be very big, whether it involves trading Noah/Taj or not. It's basically the #1 way to remain competitive once your best players are off their rookie contracts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 11:44 AM) That is the scenario which gives the Bulls the cap space to go for Love / Aldridge / Gasol. To go for both Love and Aldridge? Is that financially possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkBomber Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Id imagine the likelihood of Love coming here to be about 0% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 10:24 AM) To go for both Love and Aldridge? Is that financially possible? I never said both, just one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (Jake @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) if you can get some value out of your draft picks, that will be very big, whether it involves trading Noah/Taj or not. It's basically the #1 way to remain competitive once your best players are off their rookie contracts Which the front office has been able to do. The only for sure bust in recent memory was Marquis Teague. Noah Rose James Johnson / Taj Gibson No first to try and acquire two max players. Jimmy and Mirotic Marquis Teague Snell McDermott Right now of those nine, five are sure fire wins. James Johnson has turned into a good player, but after he was bad for the Bulls he was turned into Mirotic. Snell looked good when he got consistent minutes last year so you have to hope he can continue that, McDermott has the jury out to the hilariously limited playing time. The good drafting is really the only reason the FO is getting another chance, in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Kevin Love is a HUGE fan of Fred Hoiberg, fwiw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 02:46 PM) Kevin Love is a HUGE fan of Fred Hoiberg, fwiw Don't you get our hopes up. I will drive out to Iowa and choke you myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 From the Mayors time in Minnesota. Love would tweet about watching our games and I think he came down for one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I know you should never refuse an all star when you have 2 fine players, but Kevin Love is not the fit it used to be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 03:05 PM) I know you should never refuse an all star when you have 2 fine players, but Kevin Love is not the fit it used to be Love would be a great fit with Derrick Rose. He can run the pick and roll, and he can bang inside if he needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:21 PM) Love would be a great fit with Derrick Rose. He can run the pick and roll, and he can bang inside if he needs to. I know he's put up better numbers already in his career...but is love really that different in style from Mirotic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 03:33 PM) I know he's put up better numbers already in his career...but is love really that different in style from Mirotic? Love is stronger and about 5 years further down the growth curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) Love is stronger and about 5 years further down the growth curve. So your answer to "is he that different in style" is no? I don't see the actual question I asked answered there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 But we'd have to make a team with Gasol/Noah/Mirotic/Love work, and we'll have horrendous wing depth. It's just a very weird team set-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I just think Love is kind of a b****, and thats why i dont want him on the bulls. Always bothered by something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 03:37 PM) So your answer to "is he that different in style" is no? I don't see the actual question I asked answered there. I am sure you are trying to set up something here, so i am just going to walk away again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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