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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:51 PM)
It could be a huge mistake either way. He could break his leg in a game and never sniff a max deal ever again. Both parties are looking forward to the cap getting increased, hopefully both parties can work something out and Jimmy can remain a bull for a long time (with no broken leg)

 

i would really enjoy him to end his career as a bull. but if the cause is lost, i am thinking lets get something from him now.

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QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 10:45 AM)
then trade him tomorrow to the la lakers.... fvvck this, the team needs to rebuild anyway with the coaching staff. lets make the transition easy.

Why does this team need to rebuild. It was the 2nd best team in the East (Atlanta is not better) and they were some role players stepping up from being a title team despite missing Pau. Yes, Cleveland also had injuries but Bulls didn't have much time to gel. They had Noah on one leg, etc. This team can win. Watching Golden State in the process further cemented that fact pattern as well (cause they weren't that impressive).

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QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 11:01 AM)
i would really enjoy him to end his career as a bull. but if the cause is lost, i am thinking lets get something from him now.

What. Trading Jimmy Butler, a young superstar, would be the dumbest thing we could do. Unless of course it gets you Durant or a better superstar. That isn't happening. Jimmy Butler is a player you build your franchise around and while none of us know how good he can get or if this year is a fluke, right now, doing anything that costs us him, would be horrible for the Bulls. We have multiple all stars and to be frank, should be more optimistic about Rose then we ever have been. Rose with a normal off-season should be a better player.

 

This team could even potentially land a Marc Gasol / Aldridge / Klove if things went perfect. Not saying it would happen but blowing up is just a downright silly idea.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 02:15 PM)
With the way Thibs abused Butler, trading him might not be the most awful idea. We all know the Bulls aren't winning anything as currently constructed anyway. A sign and trade deal involving the #2 pick could be a starter.

The trick would be that the team taking him would have to be willing to accept him on a 2-3 year contract with an opt out that allows him to become unrestricted. Would the Lakers be willing to do that?

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 01:07 PM)
Why does this team need to rebuild. It was the 2nd best team in the East (Atlanta is not better) and they were some role players stepping up from being a title team despite missing Pau. Yes, Cleveland also had injuries but Bulls didn't have much time to gel. They had Noah on one leg, etc. This team can win. Watching Golden State in the process further cemented that fact pattern as well (cause they weren't that impressive).

You're way too high on this Bulls team. They'll never win anything.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:07 PM)
Why does this team need to rebuild. It was the 2nd best team in the East (Atlanta is not better) and they were some role players stepping up from being a title team despite missing Pau. Yes, Cleveland also had injuries but Bulls didn't have much time to gel. They had Noah on one leg, etc. This team can win. Watching Golden State in the process further cemented that fact pattern as well (cause they weren't that impressive).

 

don't get me wrong, i guess i never explained my point, Rose and now is Bulter wants to go, then find. the bull can keep the majority of the team and still be really great next yr.

 

i am surprise at Butler's comment or assumption of his contract. but what the hay, if he want to hang out in LA.... then trade him now and get some real value. esp when the bulls can be in the driver seat.

 

i want to bulls to be fully focus on winning next yr, instead of the petty BS around them and happening in the front office.

 

re: Rose. lets cut the looses and get out from his salary even if the bulls need to eat a huge contract for a yr.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:15 PM)
With the way Thibs abused Butler, trading him might not be the most awful idea. We all know the Bulls aren't winning anything as currently constructed anyway. A sign and trade deal involving the #2 pick could be a starter.

 

in and with LA, you are spot on.

 

their #2 in the draft and their second round.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 01:33 PM)
The trick would be that the team taking him would have to be willing to accept him on a 2-3 year contract with an opt out that allows him to become unrestricted. Would the Lakers be willing to do that?

 

It would work for him just like the article stated. He gets a short term contract, and the ability to sign a full extension later.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:09 PM)
What. Trading Jimmy Butler, a young superstar, would be the dumbest thing we could do. Unless of course it gets you Durant or a better superstar. That isn't happening. Jimmy Butler is a player you build your franchise around and while none of us know how good he can get or if this year is a fluke, right now, doing anything that costs us him, would be horrible for the Bulls. We have multiple all stars and to be frank, should be more optimistic about Rose then we ever have been. Rose with a normal off-season should be a better player.

 

This team could even potentially land a Marc Gasol / Aldridge / Klove if things went perfect. Not saying it would happen but blowing up is just a downright silly idea.

 

no offense but imo, you are seeing Rose, thru rose color glasses. :lol:

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 06:33 PM)
The trick would be that the team taking him would have to be willing to accept him on a 2-3 year contract with an opt out that allows him to become unrestricted. Would the Lakers be willing to do that?

 

he wants to go to LA, he got into the movie scene as a visitor and now he is sold on la

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 02:41 PM)
It would work for him just like the article stated. He gets a short term contract, and the ability to sign a full extension later.

That's not what I asked, I asked if the Lakers would be willing to let go of their #2 pick with no guarantee of being able to keep the player more than 2 years. The last time they traded for a guy and just expected to sign him it didn't work.

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 01:15 PM)
With the way Thibs abused Butler, trading him might not be the most awful idea. We all know the Bulls aren't winning anything as currently constructed anyway. A sign and trade deal involving the #2 pick could be a starter.

Butler age 24 38.7 mpg

25 38.7 mpg

 

M. Jordan age 24 40.4 mpg

25 40.4 mpg

26 39.0 mpg

 

T.Duncan age 24 38.7 mpg

age 25 40.6 mpg

age 26 39.3 mpg

 

L.James age 21 42.5 mpg

22 40.9 mpg

23 40.4 mpg

24 37.7 mpg

25 39.0 mpg

26 38.8 mpg

 

Thibs "abuse" is really overblown. Even Popovich used Duncan more at the same age.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 07:54 PM)
That's not what I asked, I asked if the Lakers would be willing to let go of their #2 pick with no guarantee of being able to keep the player more than 2 years. The last time they traded for a guy and just expected to sign him it didn't work.

 

i know this question was for me, but if you don't mind, i would like to add this.

 

i do, esp if they would be approach and it would be a serious thought of butler resigning.

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Butler signing a short contract has nothing to do with wanting to be a movie star. Did Lebron sign a two year deal because he wanted...um, oh yeah it's because a gigantic many many billion dollar tv deal is entering the league in 2016 and basically every free agent that year will get paid.

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FYI - Butler pretty much can't sign a really short term deal with anyone. He can either take about 4.5M and bet on himself (regular qualifying offer) or he'll have to take at least a 3 year deal (as long as Bulls give him the max qualifying offer) not including opt outs (opt out can begin after the 3rd year). So basically Jimmy either takes a 1 yr deal and goes back at this (obviously possible but pretty risky to leave that sort of money on the table for yet another season).

 

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23823...ualifying-Offer

 

But the Bulls can tender both the qualifying offer as well as the maximum qualifying offer, which means any offer sheet Butler signs with a rival team must be for more than two seasons excluding options. Butler could not become a free agent until 2018 at the earliest under that scenario.

 

The maximum qualifying offer covers five seasons at a full max.

 

If Butler does want to become an unrestricted free agent before 2018 and the Bulls give him the maximum qualifying offer, he would have to take the regular qualifying offer, giving up long-term security, then become an unrestricted free agent in 2016.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 12:17 PM)
Butler age 24 38.7 mpg

25 38.7 mpg

 

M. Jordan age 24 40.4 mpg

25 40.4 mpg

26 39.0 mpg

 

T.Duncan age 24 38.7 mpg

age 25 40.6 mpg

age 26 39.3 mpg

 

L.James age 21 42.5 mpg

22 40.9 mpg

23 40.4 mpg

24 37.7 mpg

25 39.0 mpg

26 38.8 mpg

 

Thibs "abuse" is really overblown. Even Popovich used Duncan more at the same age.

I was about to post this. Lebron has played heavy minutes. Every great player played minutes. I'd argue with games missed that Butler had (due to various minutes). His total minutes played (over full course of season) isn't anywhere near bad. Trading and dumping our best player on a team that is a title contender (I realize all of you are negative nancy's but the Bulls are widely considered a contender by insiders / analysts all around) is just insane. This isn't a team with its stars who are aging or past their peak either. Do we have some guys on the wrong side of 30, sure, but we also have some of our best players on the right side of 30 and some young talented guys who we expect to see develop further. This is a very good team.

 

Their aren't many rosters in the league that I would trade with the Bulls, that is for sure.

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I'd very much doubt the Lakers will give up the #2 pick for Butler.

 

They'll look a much better destination to play in next off-season when Kobe's contract comes off the books, Randle plays a full season, and it's looking like Okafor becomes the new face of the franchise to build around.

 

I'd be signing nothing but short term deals if I was Kupchak this off-season. Unless you could get a Rondo type for under $10M that is.

 

If I'm Butler also, I probably take the Qualifying Offer. Not saying that's fair to the Bulls, but look at Greg Monroe, do you think he's happy he didn't take a 4/50 offer from Detroit last off-season? He'll probably get something close to the max from the Knicks now.

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The Sheridan Hoops latest Mock Draft also has some interesting little blurbs;

 

http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2015/06/17/mo...e-latest-intel/

 

The Cousins to Denver move would be quite the blockbuster, I'd imagine the Kings would want the #7, Lawson and Faried to get a deal done though. Doubt anything will happen however, the Kings have said Cousins is basically untouchable still (don't know if he fits under George Karl in the long-term though).

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QUOTE (DBAHO @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 08:34 PM)
I'd very much doubt the Lakers will give up the #2 pick for Butler.

 

They'll look a much better destination to play in next off-season when Kobe's contract comes off the books, Randle plays a full season, and it's looking like Okafor becomes the new face of the franchise to build around.

 

I'd be signing nothing but short term deals if I was Kupchak this off-season. Unless you could get a Rondo type for under $10M that is.

 

If I'm Butler also, I probably take the Qualifying Offer. Not saying that's fair to the Bulls, but look at Greg Monroe, do you think he's happy he didn't take a 4/50 offer from Detroit last off-season? He'll probably get something close to the max from the Knicks now.

 

Wow had no idea Monroe was in line to get that money. I thought he was an idiot last year

 

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