Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Boogua @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 05:56 PM) The two teams that slowed the pace down (Memphis and Cleveland) had the most success against GS both taking the series to 6 games. That's what I found most interesting. Hack a Shaq would be interesting, but Golden State relies on tempo and rhythm for their jumpshots. Also, Draymond can drain away as he shot 26.4% from 3 in the playoffs (including 25.7% against Memphis who play 2 big slow guys at the 4 and 5). The point being, Rodman would still have to guard him 23+feet away from the hoop. Doesn't matter if he's bricking. He can't just leave him wide open. Like I said, it's just a totally different game now. The 90's offensively was iso-heavy and on defense it was play either straight up man or basic double. The game has completely changed since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I feel so sorry for pro-scouts that have to determine who the hell can translate to the pros and who can't. Kristaps Porzingis, from everything I've read seen, is the best player in this draft. But I know that probably won't be the case in three years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 07:44 PM) The point being, Rodman would still have to guard him 23+feet away from the hoop. Doesn't matter if he's bricking. He can't just leave him wide open. Like I said, it's just a totally different game now. The 90's offensively was iso-heavy and on defense it was play either straight up man or basic double. The game has completely changed since then. If he's shooting that percentage you absolutely can leave him open. The cavs did it quite a bit throughout the series and Draymond was often scared to take the three. As someone who was rooting for the Warriors, I was getting irritated. Draymond Green "stretching" the floor didn't stop the Cavs bigs from dominating the boards. Also, the Cavs just played extremely ISO heavy and took GS to six games. The defense in the 90s was straight up man or basic double because zones were illegal (although look at a team like the sonics or early 90s Knicks teams and they had some zone principles). Zach Lowe often talks about how the Bulls were one of the first small ball teams. They could run a Rodman-kukoc-pippen-Jordan-Harper lineup out there and just switch on everything. Lowe is a huge proponent of today's game too, so I assume you like him (or would like him). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Boogua @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) If he's shooting that percentage you absolutely can leave him open. The cavs did it quite a bit throughout the series and Draymond was often scared to take the three. As someone who was rooting for the Warriors, I was getting irritated. Draymond Green "stretching" the floor didn't stop the Cavs bigs from dominating the boards. Also, the Cavs just played extremely ISO heavy and took GS to six games. The defense in the 90s was straight up man or basic double because zones were illegal (although look at a team like the sonics or early 90s Knicks teams and they had some zone principles). Zach Lowe often talks about how the Bulls were one of the first small ball teams. They could run a Rodman-kukoc-pippen-Jordan-Harper lineup out there and just switch on everything. Lowe is a huge proponent of today's game too, so I assume you like him (or would like him). Except Rodman (who wasn't a threat offensively at all sans offensive boards) and Harper couldn't shoot for s*** and Scottie was inconsistent as a shooter at best. That lineup would get exposed badly in the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:10 PM) Except Rodman (who wasn't a threat offensively at all sans offensive boards) and Harper couldn't shoot for s*** and Scottie was inconsistent as a shooter at best. That lineup would get exposed badly in the modern game. Bigs that can't shoot are much harder to exploit ala Tony Allen. Lots of bigs still can't shoot. I don't think they would play Scottie like Tony Allen. I guess they could try to play him the way the Cavs played Iggy, but that didn't work for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Boogua @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:14 PM) Bigs that can't shoot are much harder to exploit ala Tony Allen. Lots of bigs still can't shoot. I don't think they would play Scottie like Tony Allen. I guess they could try to play him the way the Cavs played Iggy, but that didn't work for too long. ok, and what if he's not in a funk against the bulls? Then what? He (green) can hit that shot (thus creating space for Curry/Thompson).. Charles Oakley, Rick Mahorn, and Kurt Thomas couldn't hit 3's under any circumstance. Edited June 19, 2015 by Jordan4life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 18, 2015 -> 08:35 PM) ok, and what if he's not in a funk against the bulls? Then what? He (green) can hit that shot (thus creating space for Curry/Thompson).. Charles Oakley, Rick Mahorn, and Kurt Thomas couldn't hit 3's under any circumstance. Then you defend appropriately. I do find it weird that you talk about Pippen's jumpshot and then tout Green's though. They're not that far off from each other and 3s were much less emphasized then. Also, if Tristan Thompson was cleaning up on the offensive glass, Rodman would probably do okay. He might be the best offensive rebounder of all time. If the tallest guy on the floor for you is Harrison Barnes, you might have some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:56 AM) I feel so sorry for pro-scouts that have to determine who the hell can translate to the pros and who can't. Kristaps Porzingis, from everything I've read seen, is the best player in this draft. But I know that probably won't be the case in three years. It's going to be pretty fascinating to see where he goes in the draft. I think Orlando jumps on him at #5 if he's still there, he fits what we're looking for with a stretch 4 playing next to Vucevic, and he's a Gym Rat which Hennigan loves, has always drafted those sorts of players. I don't think the Lakers can take the risk of taking him at #2 even though they like him. Where it gets interesting is if the Lakers draft Russel instead of Okafor at 2, do the 76ers take Porzingis over Okafor, even considering Embiid's health? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 07:12 AM) They'd have got whipped. I don't think they were that great. Record was good but eye test was poor in the finals. I think Bulls / Shaq and Kobe Lakers route them.Heat is hard to say cause they shouldn't have won their one title. Manu choked the Spurs title away vs. Heat winning. I think if Klay Thompson was playing at his best, they'd probably compete pretty well against those teams. But he wasn't, and when Curry wasn't making his shots, that's how teams like Cleveland won a few games off them really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 08:00 AM) Well here's Mark Stein publicly ripping Lebron for how he treats Coach Blatt, this should be an interesting one to watch it filter thorugh the world. I read that Blatt wanted to implement a motion based offense when he arrived, and Lebron pretty much said no from the get go to that. I think he showed in the playoffs and the 2nd half of the season, he's a damn good defensive coach, and his guys (e.g. Mozgov etc.) play hard and well under him. I'd love to see him in another head coaching role in the NBA to see how he does, hell I would much rather him than Skiles if I had a choice. BTW, I saw we'd poached Adrian Griffin from the Bulls to be our new lead assistant coach. He'll be implementing things on the defensive side of the ball I'd presume (Skiles wants us to be top 5 there next season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Taj is out for 4 months. Get better Taj. Would be great if this surgery would strengthen his ankles. Bummer he won't be able to have a normal off-season though. Chicago Bulls forward Taj Gibson underwent an arthroscopy and repair of his left ankle on Tuesday, June 16. The surgery was performed by foot specialist Dr. David Porter in Indianapolis. Gibson’s surgery went as expected and he has begun the rehabilitation process. His estimated time to return to full basketball activity is approximately four months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) Taj is out for 4 months. Get better Taj. Would be great if this surgery would strengthen his ankles. Bummer he won't be able to have a normal off-season though. I am surprised it wasnt done at Midwest Ortho where all the other Bulls players have usually gone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) Taj is out for 4 months. Get better Taj. Would be great if this surgery would strengthen his ankles. Bummer he won't be able to have a normal off-season though. I think they are going to trade Taj actually. This might make that more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 11:50 AM) I am surprised it wasnt done at Midwest Ortho where all the other Bulls players have usually gone too. My guess is it will be a smashing success then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 19, 2015 -> 12:06 PM) I think they are going to trade Taj actually. This might make that more difficult. I'd like to think so as well. He was a black hole when he got the ball last year (meaning he never passed the ball). I'm not sure that type of player fits in the Hoiberg offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Woj is reporting that George Karl wants to get rid of Cousins. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--geor...-051748948.html Would think if a trade is done, he's either off to Denver for Lawson, Faried and #7 or in a 3 way with the Lakers and Magic where they end up with potentially the #2 and / or Nic Vucevic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 That's be the dumbest move in the history of that franchise and they've had some doozys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Karl is a good coach so normally if I were a fan I'd get upset over a situation like that, but Karl is a proven winner and in George I'd trust (especially given the current state of the Kings). That said, Cousins is a heck of a talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Hinrich for Boogie. done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 03:46 PM) Hinrich for Boogie. done Well, there's a good chance Thibs will become the Kings coach sometime in the next few years given their owner's love of firing guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Man the bottom half of the 1st round is just so so bad this year. A lot worse than normal. Justin Anderson is the only name that stocks out for me for the Bulls, so I guess I hope the pick is him. Surprised he is that low tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 I'd love if we could move up and get Tyus Jones (probably completely unrealistic that he falls to us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) Hinrich for Boogie. done I'm oblivious to NBA contracts and stuff but would a package around Jo, Taj, picks work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) I'm oblivious to NBA contracts and stuff but would a package around Jo, Taj, picks work? Not even remotely close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Noah+Taj+Niko+Mcbuckets+Pick for Gay and Cousins would be amazing. And doubtful, but amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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