chw42 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:11 PM) The big thing that it does to Dallas too is they wouldn't have signed Wes Matthews if they didn't have Jordan (at least I don't think). I agree on Jordan's part, an agreement is an agreement, that said, I don't see how the verbal commitment is binding (given the type of contract being discussed). Reality is it is a risk that exists if the league is going to have this non-sense of you can verbally agree, but not sign. I think its all junk and you should be able to recruit and sign people at the same time. I know it in theory allows everyone to get their ducks in a row but if people are going to agree they are going to agree anyway. Yeah I think teams will start making sure players sign the contract ASAP after they verbally agree after this whole debacle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 8, 2015 Author Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) Yeah I think teams will start making sure players sign the contract ASAP after they verbally agree after this whole debacle. The problem is there is a week or so between the open for FA, and when they can actually sign a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Yeah I think teams will start making sure players sign the contract ASAP after they verbally agree after this whole debacle. That is the problem, you aren't allowed to sign the contract until 12:01 AM Thursday. Right now you can only verbally agree. I presume this was done so you could meet w/multiple people without offers being made but I say forget it, let people go crazy and not know what is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:25 PM) That is the problem, you aren't allowed to sign the contract until 12:01 AM Thursday. Right now you can only verbally agree. I presume this was done so you could meet w/multiple people without offers being made but I say forget it, let people go crazy and not know what is going to happen. Perhaps the NBA should make verbal agreements binding. It really screws with teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) Perhaps the NBA should make verbal agreements binding. It really screws with teams. I don't believe you can. I'm not a lawyer but from what I recall from my business law class, certain agreements can be verbal and binding in a court of law and I remember something about a dollar threshold and year threshold (also things like real estate, IIRC, had to no matter what be in writing). I thought no verbal agreement in excess of 1 year can be binding. I also presume that the offered contract far exceeds any threshold on $'s. So bottom line, even if Mark wanted to say it was a verbal agreement, the actual agreement would be completely illegal and unenforceable. Note: I'll let one of our attorney's blow my argument up but I think generally speaking I'm correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) I don't believe you can. I'm not a lawyer but from what I recall from my business law class, certain agreements can be verbal and binding in a court of law, while others can't be binding. I remember something about a dollar threshold and year threshold (also things like real estate, IIRC, had to no matter what be in writing). I thought no verbal agreement in excess of 1 year can be binding. I also presume that the offered contract far exceeds any threshold on $'s. So bottom line, even if Mark wanted to say it was a verbal agreement, the actual agreement would be completely illegal and unenforceable. Note: I'll let one of our attorney's blow my argument up but I think generally speaking I'm correct. I remember MYLEGS from Bar/Bri. No contracts for: M - marriage Y - year length L - land E - executor (of estates) G - goods (over $500 I think?) S - surety Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 (edited) Lol, MJ just tweeted 6 trophies and a goat. edit: I can't figure out how to copy/paste it. #n00b Edited July 8, 2015 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 Lmao, this story has so many layers http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/25179...paign=editorial Michael Eaves of ESPN reported Jordan reached out to Clippers head coach Doc Rivers saying he had made a mistake, triggering the team's attempt to bring him back to Los Angeles. Eaves also reported prior to the agreement with Dallas, Jordan's agent Dan Fegan posed an ultimatum to the Clippers, stating they would have to trade Chris Paul to retain Jordan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) Lol, MJ just tweeted 6 trophies and a goat. edit: I can't figure out how to copy/paste it. #n00b July 8th, 2015: The day NBA players figure out how to use emoji Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 04:00 PM) July 8th, 2015: The day NBA players figure out how to use emoji Well, other than Paul Pierce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:55 PM) Lmao, this story has so many layers http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/25179...paign=editorial Isnt Paul one of the players trying to recruit him back? WTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 The way to fix this is to actually let players sign contracts right away. Either delay free agency a week, or move up the date you can sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 8, 2015 Share Posted July 8, 2015 QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 05:22 PM) Isnt Paul one of the players trying to recruit him back? WTF I'm sure someone said "hey dumbass, he is our only rim protector" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 This DeAndre fiasco keeps on giving. Also, Bulls need to get Chandler Parsons. He's better than World Wide Wes was supposed to be at recruiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Ramona Shelburne ✔@ramonashelburne Clippers believe DJ is returning to LA but I'm told they are staying at his house until he can sign at midnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Adrian Wojnarowski ✔@WojYahooNBA So far, Clippers able to keep everyone else out of house, including Cuban, agents. Everyone. They're in four-corners until midnight Eastern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 LA is the only place he's valuable with CP. nobody gonna throw lobs to him in Dallas. Already overpaid no matter where he goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 So he's basically a hostage in his own his house right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 08:06 PM) So he's basically a hostage in his own his house right now. This is one of the most amazingly absurd things ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 It's like The Purge without the murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 03:36 PM) I don't believe you can. I'm not a lawyer but from what I recall from my business law class, certain agreements can be verbal and binding in a court of law and I remember something about a dollar threshold and year threshold (also things like real estate, IIRC, had to no matter what be in writing). I thought no verbal agreement in excess of 1 year can be binding. I also presume that the offered contract far exceeds any threshold on $'s. So bottom line, even if Mark wanted to say it was a verbal agreement, the actual agreement would be completely illegal and unenforceable. Note: I'll let one of our attorney's blow my argument up but I think generally speaking I'm correct. The problem is that regardless of contract law, the NBA and its collective-bargaining agreement supersedes contract law on the given point by inserting language that oral contracts are not binding. Regardless, you cannot obtain specific performance (force a player to perform a certain act, i.e. DJ sign with Dallas) on a personal service contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 I now hope the Clippers lose every game next year. Jesus f***ing Christ. They've somehow topped The Decision and "Not 5, not 6, not 7" in terms of douchebaggery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 So why couldn't we score these 4 runs last night when we had a good pitcher out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 9, 2015 Share Posted July 9, 2015 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 8, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) So why couldn't we score these 4 runs last night when we had a good pitcher out there? Blake Griffin can't hit a hanging curveball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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