Dick Allen Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 08:56 AM) Another other relievers who have been waived or DFA'd lately that might be targets? Capuano just was DFA'd. Hahn wanted him in the offseason. I still think Veal will be coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 07:45 AM) What bar? It's a rebuild. The problem is that Semien, Erik Johnson and Webb have all fallen on their faces so far. Davidson's sporting a 650ish OPS at Charlotte. Garcia's injured. That leaves Abreu, Eaton and Conor Gillaspie as the lone positives (and Noesi, maybe). Obviously, Abreu's a huge piece, and Rodon should be as well, so they're still stuck in a bit of a quandary, because by trading/dumping Ramirez, Beckham, Viciedo/DeAza and Dunn, you're talking about replacing 4 starters already, and Flowers/Nieto would be 5. Nobody's going to cry over losing most of those guys, but there's just no way they'll replace Alexei adequately with what we already have in our system...maybe one of Sanchez/Semien is adequate or a replacement level player, but I'm not even counting on that at the moment. But do you honestly think they can afford to wait around on Tim Anderson, Courtney Hawkins and Montas? Why would Hahn hint at putting Rodon in the rotation as soon as next year if they're targeting 2017 and 2018? Edited June 26, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:00 AM) The problem is that Semien, Erik Johnson and Webb have all fallen on their faces so far. Davidson's sporting a 650ish OPS at Charlotte. Garcia's injured. That leaves Abreu, Eaton and Conor Gillaspie as the lone positives (and Noesi, maybe). Obviously, Abreu's a huge piece, and Rodon should be as well, so they're still stuck in a bit of a quandary, because by trading/dumping Ramirez, Beckham, Viciedo and Dunn, you're talking about replacing 4 starters already, and Flowers/Nieto would be 5. But do you honestly think they can afford to wait around on Tim Anderson, Courtney Hawkins and Montas? Why would Hahn hint at putting Rodon in the rotation as soon as next year if they're targeting 2017 and 2018? It's a rebuild. Stay healthy, get experience, move on. You are still trying to figure out how to plug holes to contend. Also, Dunn isnt a starter and I dont think they dump all 4 whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Matt Spiegel @MattSpiegel670 3m @DanHayesCSN You basically broke it. We just had the chance to ask and confirm it. Good on ya. Surkamp now? Dan Hayes @DanHayesCSN 2m @MattSpiegel670 no I know. That's probably the best guess because of 40-man status and way he has thrown. But not clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:00 AM) The problem is that Semien, Erik Johnson and Webb have all fallen on their faces so far. Davidson's sporting a 650ish OPS at Charlotte. Garcia's injured. That leaves Abreu, Eaton and Conor Gillaspie as the lone positives (and Noesi, maybe). Obviously, Abreu's a huge piece, and Rodon should be as well, so they're still stuck in a bit of a quandary, because by trading/dumping Ramirez, Beckham, Viciedo/DeAza and Dunn, you're talking about replacing 4 starters already, and Flowers/Nieto would be 5. Nobody's going to cry over losing most of those guys, but there's just no way they'll replace Alexei adequately with what we already have in our system...maybe one of Sanchez/Semien is adequate or a replacement level player, but I'm not even counting on that at the moment. But do you honestly think they can afford to wait around on Tim Anderson, Courtney Hawkins and Montas? Why would Hahn hint at putting Rodon in the rotation as soon as next year if they're targeting 2017 and 2018? Welcome to the rebuild and "prospects". Seriously did anyone expect everyone to succeed? If it were that easy, the Royals would have won something decades ago. They have been doing this for 30 years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Do we know yet if this was a DFA or a trade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:06 AM) Welcome to the rebuild and "prospects". Seriously did anyone expect everyone to succeed? If it were that easy, the Royals would have won something decades ago. They have been doing this for 30 years now. We have 2-3 players that are legit all stars during a rebuild. Thats pretty amazing. The one thing that really hurt the process is Garcia's injury, though I think he will be back before the season is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Do we know yet if this was a DFA or a trade? It is mostly a "go away while we figure this out" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Do we know yet if this was a DFA or a trade? I couldn't imagine it being a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) I couldn't imagine it being a trade. I agree. His career ended in Baltimore last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:07 AM) Do we know yet if this was a DFA or a trade? No announcement has officially been made yet. Even the Downs being gone part is still speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) I agree. His career ended in Baltimore last night. Somehow I doubt that. Someone will take a chance at him for minimum wage this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) No announcement has officially been made yet. Even the Downs being gone part is still speculation. Coop was on the Score. He basically confirmed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:00 PM) The problem is that Semien, Erik Johnson and Webb have all fallen on their faces so far. Davidson's sporting a 650ish OPS at Charlotte. Garcia's injured. That leaves Abreu, Eaton and Conor Gillaspie as the lone positives (and Noesi, maybe). Obviously, Abreu's a huge piece, and Rodon should be as well, so they're still stuck in a bit of a quandary, because by trading/dumping Ramirez, Beckham, Viciedo/DeAza and Dunn, you're talking about replacing 4 starters already, and Flowers/Nieto would be 5. Nobody's going to cry over losing most of those guys, but there's just no way they'll replace Alexei adequately with what we already have in our system...maybe one of Sanchez/Semien is adequate or a replacement level player, but I'm not even counting on that at the moment. But do you honestly think they can afford to wait around on Tim Anderson, Courtney Hawkins and Montas? Why would Hahn hint at putting Rodon in the rotation as soon as next year if they're targeting 2017 and 2018? webb is my guy since summer, I even mention him in the top 10. beside that, he is growing and learning. not everyone is going to have a great night everynight. there is a learning curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Heyman tweeting Downs has been DFA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:00 AM) The problem is that Semien, Erik Johnson and Webb have all fallen on their faces so far. Davidson's sporting a 650ish OPS at Charlotte. Garcia's injured. That leaves Abreu, Eaton and Conor Gillaspie as the lone positives (and Noesi, maybe). Obviously, Abreu's a huge piece, and Rodon should be as well, so they're still stuck in a bit of a quandary, because by trading/dumping Ramirez, Beckham, Viciedo/DeAza and Dunn, you're talking about replacing 4 starters already, and Flowers/Nieto would be 5. Nobody's going to cry over losing most of those guys, but there's just no way they'll replace Alexei adequately with what we already have in our system...maybe one of Sanchez/Semien is adequate or a replacement level player, but I'm not even counting on that at the moment. But do you honestly think they can afford to wait around on Tim Anderson, Courtney Hawkins and Montas? Why would Hahn hint at putting Rodon in the rotation as soon as next year if they're targeting 2017 and 2018? If the Sox hold that kind of sale for the trade dead line the Rays will have their hands full as far as competition for the #1 pick June 2015. Two holes in the rotation ( jury not in yet on Noesi), a horrible pen and then trading half or more of your starting lineup is going to make this season even more difficult to bare. But we all knew this season was about discovering what we have at the major and minor league levels. At least going into the off season Hahn will have a better idea of what holes need to be filled and what resources he can use to fill those holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 08:22 AM) Heyman tweeting Downs has been DFA http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/whit...cott-downs.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Chris Sale has given up like one hit in his first innings' of work all year long... just sayin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) If the Sox hold that kind of sale for the trade dead line the Rays will have their hands full as far as competition for the #1 pick June 2015. Two holes in the rotation ( jury not in yet on Noesi), a horrible pen and then trading half or more of your starting lineup is going to make this season even more difficult to bare. But we all knew this season was about discovering what we have at the major and minor league levels. At least going into the off season Hahn will have a better idea of what holes need to be filled and what resources he can use to fill those holes. that is what it is all about. a great phrase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 So has anyone starting stalking out ORD yet? Next flight from CLT arrives in about 15 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:29 AM) So has anyone starting stalking out ORD yet? Next flight from CLT arrives in about 15 minutes. The Sox are in YYZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/whit...cott-downs.html a great catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) So has anyone starting stalking out ORD yet? Next flight from CLT arrives in about 15 minutes. now that is old vintage southside humor.... I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 Ok so what players on the Charlotte roster have passports that allow them to "work" in Canadia? Does soxtalk have an insider with the department of labor or The department of consular affairs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jun 26, 2014 -> 09:44 AM) Ok so what players on the Charlotte roster have passports that allow them to "work" in Canadia? Does soxtalk have an insider with the department of labor or The department of consular affairs? I'm guessing they all do. Part of the process of signing contracts with the team(s) are setting up passports for all these guys, and then renewing them when necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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