When do you fire Robin?

[peppers312]

Beckham, DeAza, Danks, Dunn, Viciedo and Ramirez. They GONE!

 

Ramirez? he's one of the top SS in the AL and you want them to get rid of him?

 

this is probably the most ignorant post i've ever seen.

[shysocks]

I repeat HAHN has some explaining to do. That Reed trade was downright silly.

Reed is having a horrible year. His velocity is down and he's serving up homers like it's his job. Arizona fans want to strangle him. How would he be helping?

[GreenSox]

Ramirez? he's one of the top SS in the AL and you want them to get rid of him?

The idea is that he will bring high value in return. He's 33 and due for a decline. At least see what teams will offer.

Sell high.

[witesoxfan]

That Reed trade was downright silly.

 

Look at Reed's stats greg. He f***ing blows. That Reed trade was a stroke of f***ing genius.

[caulfield12]

Ramirez? he's one of the top SS in the AL and you want them to get rid of him?

 

this is probably the most ignorant post i've ever seen.

 

 

Ummm...okay. You have one asset on the team...do you hold him too long, like Bobby Jenks, Gavin Floyd, Jesse Crain, Joe Crede or Phil Humber?

 

Right now, it's looking more likely that 2016 is the year the White Sox go all out for the playoffs, since it would be a mistake to push Rodon too quickly into the starting rotation.

 

Yes, as of today, he's doing very well, his first two months are masking his June/July numbers. That said, he's also the only player on our major league roster with "premium" value on the trade market.

 

If you believe he's more likely to return/regress to his offensive mean of 2011-2013, then you have to look into trading him.

 

The other problem is that despite our plethora of minor league middle infield prospects, none of them profile yet as surefire replacements because of offensive or defensive flaws in their games (Sanchez, Semien, Anderson, L.Garcia and Saladino.)

 

It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't thing." That said, it's always better to trade a player one year too early than one year too late.

 

 

Do you honestly think we'll get much back in return for DeAza, Dunn and Beckham?

Edited July 10, 2014 by caulfield12

[BigEdWalsh]

Look at Reed's stats greg. He f***ing blows. That Reed trade was a stroke of f***ing genius.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a stroke of f***ing genius, but it was a good move.

Funny how after almost any loss this thread comes to the forefront.

[chitownsportsfan]

I wouldn't go so far as to say it was a stroke of f***ing genius, but it was a good move.

Funny how after almost any loss this thread comes to the forefront.

 

 

Funny how much hang wringing was done over trading Hector and Addison, both have been awful and proves the Sox almost never make the wrong call on pitchers.

[Balta1701]

Funny how much hang wringing was done over trading Hector and Addison, both have been awful and proves the Sox almost never make the wrong call on pitchers.

I was much more angry with how Hector was used while he was here than him being traded in the end.

[chitownsportsfan]

I was much more angry with how Hector was used while he was here than him being traded in the end.

 

Yea but doesn't it sorta prove the point about his handling with the Sox? He has starter stuff, but a reliever's mindset.

Edited July 10, 2014 by chitownsportsfan

[Balta1701]

Yea but doesn't it sorta prove the point about his handling with the Sox? He has starter stuff, but a reliever's mindset.

The obvious counterpoint from my side would be "how exactly is that surprising with how hard the white sox tried to turn him into a reliever"?

[chitownsportsfan]

The obvious counterpoint from my side would be "how exactly is that surprising with how hard the white sox tried to turn him into a reliever"?

 

And my appeal to Don Cooper authority counter-point would be: Given how hard the Sox tried to turn him into a reliever (and given his struggles in LA) seems they knew what they were doing.

[Balta1701]

And my appeal to Don Cooper authority counter-point would be: Given how hard the Sox tried to turn him into a reliever (and given his struggles in LA) seems they knew what they were doing.

In the end I'll just be content with Eaton

[Vance Law]

Robin for Manager of the Year for pinch hitting with Gillaspie and making him hit that home run.

[Vance Law]

You've got to admit Ventura was a genius to tell Belisario to get Napoli out instead of letting him get a hit.

[Kalapse]

Bunting in front of Abreu, a fireable offense if there ever was one.

[chitownsportsfan]

Robin for Manager of the Year for pinch hitting with Gillaspie and making him hit that home run.

 

Stop trolling, everyone with an intellect higher than middle school knows that you seperate process from result. You can get a bad process with a good result and vice versa. The point of having a good manager is that he has a good process and stick to it.

 

Robin's approach is to throw s*** at the wall and see what sticks. He consinstantly lowers the margin for error the Sox have to win.

 

Not PH for Kong was a bad process that led to an OK result. Who know however, he PH with Dunn, Dunn walks, Conor homers, Sox win?

 

See how the fantasy thing works? Point is you make a good process you live with the results. Robin doesn't make a good process.

Edited July 10, 2014 by chitownsportsfan

[caulfield12]

Stop trolling, everyone with an intellect higher than middle school knows that you seperate process from result. You can get a bad process with a good result and vice versa. The point of having a good manager is that he has a good process and stick to it.

 

Robin's approach is to throw s*** at the wall and see what sticks. He consinstantly lowers the margin for error the Sox have to win.

 

Not PH for Kong was a bad process that led to an OK result. Who know however, he PH with Dunn, Dunn walks, Conor homers, Sox win?

See how the fantasy thing works? Point is you make a good process you live with the results. Robin doesn't make a good process.

 

 

Except in that same fantasy, the White Sox bullpen still probably fail to hold the lead against Pedroia/Ortiz/Napoli in the bottom of the 9th.

 

Just because...well, it's the 2014 Sox bullpen.

 

 

 

Konerko was 2/6 against Uehara, so that's defensible, since the were 4/33 (current White Sox hitters) against Uehara all-time.

 

But letting Flowers and Garcia both bat was just weird.

Edited July 11, 2014 by caulfield12

[chitownsportsfan]

Except in that same fantasy, the White Sox bullpen still probably fail to hold the lead against Pedroia/Ortiz/Napoli in the bottom of the 9th.

 

Just because...well, it's the 2014 Sox bullpen.

 

 

 

Konerko was 2/6 against Uehara, so that's defensible, since the were 4/33 (current White Sox hitters) against Uehara all-time.

 

But letting Flowers and Garcia both bat was just weird.

 

You know when you accidentally turn up the knob on your toaster but don't realize it and you walk way only to come back to a stank ass kitchen and a shriveled black fetus inside your toaster that used to be a fine piece of delicious rye bread?

 

PK, in 2014, is that toast.

 

2/6 shouldn't even factor into it.

[IlliniKrush]

Pitching to Ortiz with an open base and 2 outs, and then also on a 3-1 count in that at bat...absolutely mindless. Even Stone and Hawk called him out on it, it was that stupid.

[IlliniKrush]

Bunting in front of Abreu, a fireable offense if there ever was one.

Oh and this. He's so clueless sometimes on general baseball strategy. Stuff that's outside of the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" range. He took the bat out of his best player's hands. Amazing.

[Dick Allen]

Pitching to Ortiz with an open base and 2 outs, and then also on a 3-1 count in that at bat...absolutely mindless. Even Stone and Hawk called him out on it, it was that stupid.

He fanned Him twice preciously and Papi hadn't had a hit the entire series. Load em up for Napoli when he is having problems throwing strikes isn't a good option.

[Kalapse]

He fanned Him twice preciously and Papi hadn't had a hit the entire series. Load em up for Napoli when he is having problems throwing strikes isn't a good option.

He had 2 hits yesterday, including one off Sale. And yes, Quintana's K's are precious, much like a puppy.

[fathom]

Ortiz was the most dangerous hitter Boston had that entire series. He had a lot of long, hard hit outs. I understand why they didn't IBB him there though.

[Kalapse]

Oh and this. He's so clueless sometimes on general baseball strategy. Stuff that's outside of the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" range. He took the bat out of his best player's hands. Amazing.

With any other hitter on deck it's suspect but MAYBE defensible (even though bunting the runner over with 0 outs is a lateral move at best odds wise) but to do it in front of Abreu is just stupid.

[Heads22]

A different way to look at it. I don't advocate the firing of Robin, but how many people would be truly disappointed if he wasn't the manager next year?