harfman77 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 12:55 PM) By supplemental pick, do you mean international pool slotting? I thought you could only trade competitive balance picks and the like? Am I mistaken? I mean the competitive balance picks that are awarded tomorrow, it would be a nice throw in for a deadline deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 08:46 AM) Competitive Balance picks will be awarded at the lottery draft on Wednesday at 1 pm. Eligible teams are the Athletics, Brewers, Cardinals, D-backs, Indians, Marlins, Orioles, Padres, Pirates, Rays, Reds, Rockies and Royals. They are awarded to small market teams. I feel like the Mets and White Sox are screwed here if the Cardinals, Royals, Rockies, Padres, and Athletics are eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) I feel like the Mets and White Sox are screwed here if the Cardinals, Royals, Rockies, Padres, and Athletics are eligible. Frankly, the Cubs too. It doesn't make a lick of sense to me that teams in small markets get these picks as opposed to bad teams. It would be like if the Packers got an extra 3rd round pick every single season (although it would be the tits if the Bills got an extra 3rd every year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) Frankly, the Cubs too. It doesn't make a lick of sense to me that teams in small markets get these picks as opposed to bad teams. It would be like if the Packers got an extra 3rd round pick every single season (although it would be the tits if the Bills got an extra 3rd every year) It would be nothing like that, because the NFL is a salary cap based league. The financial edge the Cubs & Sox have over these "small market" teams is worth incredibly more than a competitive balance pick every other year. The problem with this system is when a small market owner decides he's going to spend like a big market owner, because then you have the Detroit Tigers. Edited July 22, 2014 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 06:22 PM) It would be nothing like that, because the NFL is a salary cap based league. The financial edge the Cubs & Sox have over these "small market" teams is worth incredibly more than a competitive balance pick every other year. The problem with this system is when a small market owner decides he's going to spend like a big market owner, because then you have the Detroit Tigers. But you'll note, the Tigers weren't in his list as getting compensatory picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 05:30 PM) But you'll note, the Tigers weren't in his list as getting compensatory picks. Bad example for this year, but they used to be eligible somehow. Point remains the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 04:34 PM) Bad example for this year, but they used to be eligible somehow. Point remains the same. Replace Tigers with Cardinals. Cardinals are included and have been one of the most successful franchises in baseball the past 10 years. That said, given how much the draft is a crap shoot, I don't really think that the chance of one extra pick really equates to all that much in the grand scheme of tilting the balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) Replace Tigers with Cardinals. Cardinals are included and have been one of the most successful franchises in baseball the past 10 years. That said, given how much the draft is a crap shoot, I don't really think that the chance of one extra pick really equates to all that much in the grand scheme of tilting the balance. There's no logical reason for either the Cardinals or the Tigers to receive competitive balance picks. Edited July 23, 2014 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 05:12 PM) There's no logical reason for either the Cardinals or the Tigers to receive competitive balance picks. The Tigers don't. Cardinals do and it doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 The results from the draft lottery: Competitive Balance Round A 32. Marlins 33. Rockies 34. Cardinals 35. Brewers 36. Padres 37. Indians Competitive Balance Round B - between rounds 2 and 3 Reds Athletics Mariners Twins Orioles Diamondbacks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 23, 2014 Share Posted July 23, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 23, 2014 -> 07:54 PM) The results from the draft lottery: Competitive Balance Round A 32. Marlins 33. Rockies 34. Cardinals 35. Brewers 36. Padres 37. Indians Competitive Balance Round B - between rounds 2 and 3 Reds Athletics Mariners Twins Orioles Diamondbacks several problems I have is with Balt and Arz getting there, but the main one is Marlins. they tank with the salary make all the profits and then get rewarded with a pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Crazy that the Cardinals get a pick as well. The Cardinals draw almost 3 million fans a year and have a media market that covers multiple states like Arkansas. Crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 12:01 PM) Crazy that the Cardinals get a pick as well. The Cardinals draw almost 3 million fans a year and have a media market that covers multiple states like Arkansas. Crazy. that is one problem again I have but was waiting for another time to bring it up. the question is, how do they determine who gets these picks. I am not saying giving picks is wrong, but how is it determine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 07:01 AM) Crazy that the Cardinals get a pick as well. The Cardinals draw almost 3 million fans a year and have a media market that covers multiple states like Arkansas. Crazy. Theo Epstein was complaining that the Cardinals got one, and I completely agree with him. They might be one of the best ran organizations ran in the league with a huge fan base, yet awarded picks like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 10:19 AM) that is one problem again I have but was waiting for another time to bring it up. the question is, how do they determine who gets these picks. I am not saying giving picks is wrong, but how is it determine. Pool A is the smallest 15 markets. Pool B is the teams from pool A plus the teams with the 10 lowest revenue pools (most are duplicative). The Cardinals are just really well run and have a lot of diehard supporters for a team in a market of that size. St Louis is listed 58th in population in the US and is the second smallest city to have a baseball team, behind Cincinnati. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 10:24 AM) Theo Epstein was complaining that the Cardinals got one, and I completely agree with him. They might be one of the best ran organizations ran in the league with a huge fan base, yet awarded picks like this. They do more with less, they should not be penalized for operating efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 24, 2014 -> 10:44 AM) They do more with less, they should not be penalized for operating efficiently. And they didn't even need to tank for a half of a decade to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 07:06 PM) Replace Tigers with Cardinals. Cardinals are included and have been one of the most successful franchises in baseball the past 10 years. That said, given how much the draft is a crap shoot, I don't really think that the chance of one extra pick really equates to all that much in the grand scheme of tilting the balance. Don't you have to take into account that this pick can be traded though? I think that could be a pretty big add to any trades that you might not previously had been able to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Sox have made it up to tenth, so they are in protected pick territory. Sounds like a deep class of HS OF and some more pretty good HS pitching in next years draft. Nix and Aiken may also be available again based on rumors that they may be looking at going to a juco together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 14, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) Sox have made it up to tenth, so they are in protected pick territory. Sounds like a deep class of HS OF and some more pretty good HS pitching in next years draft. Nix and Aiken may also be available again based on rumors that they may be looking at going to a juco together. I may be wrong, but I believe a player must go to a juco for 1 or 2 years to be draft eligible again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 14, 2014 -> 02:16 PM) I may be wrong, but I believe a player must go to a juco for 1 or 2 years to be draft eligible again For JuCo or ComCo, just 1, meaning he will be eligible to enter the draft next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 14, 2014 -> 01:20 PM) Sox have made it up to tenth, so they are in protected pick territory. Sounds like a deep class of HS OF and some more pretty good HS pitching in next years draft. Nix and Aiken may also be available again based on rumors that they may be looking at going to a juco together. Top 11 are protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Getting Aiken would be neat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Aug 14, 2014 -> 02:27 PM) Top 11 are protected. Doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I have been busy with school and work, and I promised these write ups, so I am going to post a few at a time and then go back and add them to a bigger topic thread. I know I promised you guys some write ups on some players for the 2015 draft, but I have been extremely busy with school and work. I am going to make a seperate thread for these, but Im going to post these here just to get the ball rolling. Here are my three favorite players for the draft... Daz Cameron, OF (6'1, 180lbs, R/R) Daz Cameron is probably my favorite in this upcoming draft class, and if I were a team with the #1 overall pick, I would easily take him first overall. The guys is an absolute tool shed (Hit-6, Power - 5, Glove - 6, Speed - 6, Arm - 6), he employs a very short and compact swing and combines that with explosive bat speed and solid, repeatable mechanics which allows him to make consistent hard contact. His speed makes him a serious threat on the basepaths. Above average arm strength, and should play in CF at the major league level. The son of former Sox outfielder, Mike Cameron. Pro Comps: Andrew McCutchen, Jacoby Ellsbury, Bryon Buxton and that one guy who wears 27 for the angels Kyle Tucker, OF (6'4, 175lbs, L/R) Kyle Tucker is an outfielder from Florida. He has a very wiry and athletic build, which offers some projection down the line. Right now he plays CF, but he projects better in a corner outfield spot in the majors. While he is a freak athlete, Tucker can flat out hit with his smooth lefty swing. His low hand load allows him to generate electric bat speed. Like Cameron, he is a true 5 tool player, and he projects to be a run producing slugger at the next level. Pro Comps: Grady Sizemore, Josh Hamilton, Matt Kemp. Justin Hooper, LHP (6'7, 225lbs) Justin Hooper is a starting pitcher from the state of California. Hoopers is an intimidating frame on the mound, he stands close to 6'8 and has a high waisted body with very long limbs. He throws from a 3/4 arm slot with limited arm action. He uses his length to his advantage, as he gets a good extension after his long strides. Very balanced on the mound and has a good downhill plain and has shown the ability to repeat his delivery. Right now he can reach 95 on the gun with his fastball, and is developing good off speed stuff as well. Fastball offers late movement, especially on the left side of the plate, curveball as late movement and hits the mid to high 70s and his changeup is his least developed pitch and hits the low to mid 80s. He has the change to be a elite starting pitcher in the ML. Pro Comps: Noah Syrengaard, Madison Bumgarner. I have more saved in a document somewhere, but when I'm free expect to see more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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