ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ May 18, 2015 -> 04:53 PM) Sucks that Fulmer is getting helium. Really wanted him. I agree. A month ago I thought he would totally be there for us at #8. Now it seems he's a top 3 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 17, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) Totally. And as we have seen, when you have arms, you can deals to get major league hitters. See also Santiago, Hector and Peavy, Jake. Gio Gonzalez + Rowand for Thome Addison Reed (well, hopefully...someday) FDLS + Gonzalez for Swisher Zach Stewart for Youkilis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Not as deep into this year's crop since I'm buried in work, but I'm fully on board with Tyler Jay. Think he could be a steal if he's still on the board still. Would probably go top 5 if he was starting this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 19, 2015 -> 07:35 AM) Not as deep into this year's crop since I'm buried in work, but I'm fully on board with Tyler Jay. Think he could be a steal if he's still on the board still. Would probably go top 5 if he was starting this year. I feel Jay is such a big risk, mostly due to Illinois's coaching staff by not allowing him to start this year. No one has any idea, beyond speculation, how his stuff will hold up late in the game. He stared one game this year and an extended relief appearance or two, but without starting consistently, it's a big risk that he can eventually be a starter. Obviously, Illinois's coaching staff, especially the pitching side, has been terrific the past few years in developing tons of great arms, but I still have never heard the rationale for not starting Jay. Do they not think he can handle the starter innings? Do they think he is more valuable to them as a reliever? If I knew for a fact he could pitch deep into games and keep his stuff, I would be all over him. But I still would take Fulmer over him, even with his delivery and all, simply because there is hard data that he can pitch deep in the game and maintain his stuff. But I wouldn't be disappointed with Jay. Edited May 19, 2015 by maggsmaggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) Has there ever been a collegiate reliever taken in the Top 10 picks of a draft? I mean...someone who spent the majority of his draft year coming out of the pen but was projected by scouts as a starter at the next level? Any examples come to mind? I don't know why...maybe it's just the Kris Honel thing and the idea of going for the local kid often not working out (yeah, for every Joe Mauer there are a lot of counter-examples)...and that's kind of an irrational fear, but, as noted above, it's very hard to project someone when you haven't even seen them pitch much as a starter. How well will their stuff hold up in the 6th-9th innings? Do they have enough of a repertoire to start in the minors? Why, if they had three or more plus pitches and/or were in consideration for a Top 10-15 draft selection, would their coach not enjoy having them as the #1 starter THIS season, if not their first two seasons in university? Who are these other starting pitchers the coaching staff perceives as possibly better...or at least better suited for starting duty? Edited May 19, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 19, 2015 -> 07:58 AM) Has there ever been a collegiate reliever taken in the Top 10 picks of a draft? I mean...someone who spent the majority of his draft year coming out of the pen but was projected by scouts as a starter at the next level? Any examples come to mind? I don't know why...maybe it's just the Kris Honel thing and the idea of going for the local kid often not working out (yeah, for every Joe Mauer there are a lot of counter-examples)...and that's kind of an irrational fear, but, as noted above, it's very hard to project someone when you haven't even seen them pitch much as a starter. How well will their stuff hold up in the 6th-9th innings? Do they have enough of a repertoire to start in the minors? Why, if they had three or more plus pitches and/or were in consideration for a Top 10-15 draft selection, would their coach not enjoy having them as the #1 starter THIS season, if not their first two seasons in university? Who are these other starting pitchers the coaching staff perceives as possibly better...or at least better suited for starting duty? Drew Storen was taken #10 overall in 2009, but it was assumed at the time he would stay a reliever. Jay seems to be a safe pick in that you will likely at least get a bullpen arm. Nobody knows if he can handle a starters workload, so it is a big gamble that he will ever make it as a starter. I would imagine if they draft Jay he will pitch 2-3 inning outings initially to try and get him on a starter schedule and build up his workload. Hes thrown a total of 116 IP in his college career which is less than he will be expected to throw in a season as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Jim Callis has the Sox taking Jon Harris from Missouri St. He has Jay going to Rockies at #3 Keith Law has a mock out, but I can't access it Edited May 21, 2015 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ May 21, 2015 -> 11:26 AM) Jim Callis has the Sox taking Jon Harris from Missouri St. He has Jay going to Rockies at #3 Keith Law has a mock out, but I can't access it Never heard of this Harris kid, what's the scouting report on him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 21, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) Never heard of this Harris kid, what's the scouting report on him? He's among the guys we will profile in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) He's among the guys we will profile in the coming weeks. Judging by his numbers alone, looks pretty good but does have 11 wild pitches. Tall lengthy right hander (6-4, 180) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Andrew Benintendi is starting to interest me quite a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 21, 2015 -> 06:00 PM) Judging by his numbers alone, looks pretty good but does have 11 wild pitches. Tall lengthy right hander (6-4, 180) Been reading scouting reports about him, and seems like his command/control is a big question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 (edited) Keith Law has the White Sox taking Fulmer. http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/...g-draft-insider Edited May 21, 2015 by DirtySox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Law has 3 of the top 4 picks being SS. Cameron #7, Fulmer #8 to Sox, Jay #11, and Benintendi at #13, and Funkhouser at #22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Law says the Sox are highest on Fulmer and Jay, and both could pitch out of the pen THIS fall for the Sox (seems like a trend). Says he has heard that if Fulmer is still around, the Sox will not pass on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ May 21, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) Law says the Sox are highest on Fulmer and Jay, and both could pitch out of the pen THIS fall for the Sox (seems like a trend). Says he has heard that if Fulmer is still around, the Sox will not pass on him. Fulmer and Jay are my top 2 choices right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 21, 2015 -> 11:57 AM) Never heard of this Harris kid, what's the scouting report on him? MLB has him ranked #10, BA has him at #25, and Law has him at #22. From mlb.com "In a spring in which many of the top pitching prospects have either gotten hurt or regressed, Harris has been a pleasant surprise. He has boosted his stock as much as any pitcher with the exception of UC Santa Barbara's Dillon Tate and looks poised to become the second-highest selection ever out of Missouri State, trailing only Ross Detwiler (No. 6 overall in 2007). A 33rd-round choice by the Blue Jays out of a Missouri high school three years ago, Harris took a step forward in the Cape Cod League last summer and has continued to improve as a junior. He works comfortably at 92-94 mph with his fastball, and it plays up because it has run and sink and he uses his height to deliver it on a nice downhill plane. He has added some strength and his 6-foot-4, 190-pound frame still has room for more, so he could pick up more velocity. His curveball, slider and changeup are all plus pitches at times. Harris has power and depth on his breaking balls, and he has made huge strides with his changeup and trusts it more than before. He also has improved his command and is doing a better job of pitching inside with his fastball." http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y20...yers#list=draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ May 21, 2015 -> 12:55 PM) Fulmer and Jay are my top 2 choices right now. Sounds like you will get your wish. Keith Law said in his chat that Fulmer is option A, and Jay is option B for the White Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 21, 2015 -> 12:26 PM) Keith Law has the White Sox taking Fulmer. http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/...g-draft-insider Wow, that article just copy and pasted Law's work. Does the Sun Times and ESPN have a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 QUOTE (southside hitman @ May 21, 2015 -> 01:27 PM) Sounds like you will get your wish. Keith Law said in his chat that Fulmer is option A, and Jay is option B for the White Sox. There is a chance that both are gone by then though too. Fulmer is in the mix for 1.1 and Jay has been rumored as a target as high as #3 with the Rockies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 31m31 minutes ago Think they want Fulmer & Jay, may not get them. @SSS_joshnelson: Whoa, @jimcallisMLB - new @WhiteSox name? http://m.mlb.com/news/article/125729150/pa...test-mock-draft … @MLBDraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Fulmer got crushed by TAMU today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Get a hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 QUOTE (oldsox @ May 21, 2015 -> 08:10 PM) Get a hitter. No hitter is good enough for #8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Really like to stay away from Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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