fathom Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 There's not been a single hint of the Sox going underslot with their first pick. Kiley McDaniel and Keith Law are probably the two best in terms of having inside information on draft strategy, and they've been suggesting nothing but collegiate starting pitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:40 PM) a player i also really like is dewees in the top 5 in most offensive categories this yr. cf. I remember you mentioning Dewees some weeks ago. Have not looked much into him though. RE BPA: I agree about the BPA. Thing is, what if the Sox view the BPA differently than the mock drafts? This is why I bring up Schwarber. I know the cubs saved money by going under slot but I think the cubs really believed Schwarber was the BPA at #4 last June. At this point it would be hard to argue against it. I'm still hoping for Jay, though ive come to accept he will not be there for the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) There's not been a single hint of the Sox going underslot with their first pick. Kiley McDaniel and Keith Law are probably the two best in terms of having inside information on draft strategy, and they've been suggesting nothing but collegiate starting pitching. I think the Sox would be ecstatic with any of Tate, Jay, or Fulmer. I think they'd take Missouri State RHP Jon Harris if they are all gone. Lets pretend that the 3 pitchers are gone. Lets also say that Bregman, Rodgers, and Swanson are gone. I think the Sox would go with Harris over Benintendi, Stephenson, or one of the HS OF's (Tucker, Cameron). What does everyone else think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 09:55 PM) I remember you mentioning Dewees some weeks ago. Have not looked much into him though. RE BPA: I agree about the BPA. Thing is, what if the Sox view the BPA differently than the mock drafts? This is why I bring up Schwarber. I know the cubs saved money by going under slot but I think the cubs really believed Schwarber was the BPA at #4 last June. At this point it would be hard to argue against it. I'm still hoping for Jay, though ive come to accept he will not be there for the Sox. and you can be extremely right. but the players on the mock draft, the one the so called experts have done. it is now pointing to Daz Cameron. i just don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 10:55 PM) I remember you mentioning Dewees some weeks ago. Have not looked much into him though. can you imagine a player who has 251 ab's 106 hits 18 hrs 23 sb's 30 walks and 16 strikeouts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 05:03 PM) and you can be extremely right. but the players on the mock draft, the one the so called experts have done. it is now pointing to Daz Cameron. i just don't know. Call me crazy but after Jay, Fullmer and Tate; I think the Sox preference might be a college bat over HS bat. If they cannot draft a college pitcher that is capable of moving through the system quickly as is their reported preference, I think that same line of thinking will shift to a college hitter that could move quickly through the system. Guys like Stewart and Happ. Just a guess or maybe some wishful thinking on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 05:10 PM) can you imagine a player who has 251 ab's 106 hits 18 hrs 23 sb's 30 walks and 16 strikeouts I don't know man. The Sox have not had luck with those toolsy outfielders. Those really are some gaudy numbers. Where is Dewees projected to go? Have not seen his name in any first round mocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 11:21 PM) I don't know man. The Sox have not had luck with those toolsy outfielders. Those really are some gaudy numbers. Where is Dewees projected to go? Have not seen his name in any first round mocks. comp A but i will bet even money he might move up to the late 1 rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 I want Fulmer vs Jay in game 1 of the Super Regional so bad, but we all know it will be Duchene. What a treat that game would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 another mock https://mlbdraftcountdown.wordpress.com/201...draft-6-1-6115/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3GamesToLove Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:24 PM) I want Fulmer vs Jay in game 1 of the Super Regional so bad, but we all know it will be Duchene. What a treat that game would be. Just bought my ticket to Game One Saturday. If somehow Fulmer goes Sunday instead I'll be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) another mock https://mlbdraftcountdown.wordpress.com/201...draft-6-1-6115/ From the sounds of it, there is zero chance the White Sox pass on Fullmer if Jay is already off of the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:24 PM) I want Fulmer vs Jay in game 1 of the Super Regional so bad, but we all know it will be Duchene. What a treat that game would be. Of course it won't be Jay. They don't use him in the rotation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 We'll have draft profiles of Buehler (today), Harris (Thursday) and Tate (Friday) coming up. Plus a "Best of the Rest" post covering some less likely guys like Funkhouser, Kaprielian, etc., sometime this week or weekend as well. Since we already profiled Fulmer and Jay, as well as looked at the Aiken/Matuella option, that should pretty much cover all the realistic possibilities for the Sox' 1st round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:07 AM) another mock https://mlbdraftcountdown.wordpress.com/201...draft-6-1-6115/ I think it was Mayo's last mock that also had Fulmer and Harris available at #8 with the Sox taking Harris over Fulmer. Kind of goes against what others are hearing in reference to whom the Sox preferences are. Harris reminds me too much of McCarthy with that high 3/4 slot. Weren't the Sox trying to get McCarthy to change his arm angle due to concerns over the additional stress that high slot induces on the shoulder? And ultimately why he was available for trade? Maybe I'm remembering this wrong... All this nonsense can be avoided if teams just go ahead and pass on Jay so the Sox have get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 30, 2015 -> 11:05 PM) I think Houston goes with 2 position players. If I had to predict, I'd go with: 1. Arizona-Dansby Swanson SS 2. Houston- Brendan Rodgers SS 3. Colorado- Tyler Jay LHP 4. Texas- Alex Bregman 2B 5. Houston- Daz Cameron CF 6. Minnesota- Dillon Tate RHP 7. Boston- Andrew Benintendi CF 8. Sox-Carson Fulmer RHP With Tate, Berrios, Buxton, Sano....you might be talking about the #1 farm system in the game if they all stay healthy. Berrios is probably having the #1 season of all the top pitching prospects so far. You've also got Kohl Stewart/Meyer/May/Burdi on the pitching depth side...and Dee's brother Nick (who's struggling right now) but a huge talent from all the scouting reports last season. The problem's quickly becoming not only the Royals and Tigers, but the Twins might be the best positioned to go on a long run, with Mauer's being the only really big contract on the books. Edited June 2, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 the whole game may have change now. with Fry getting hurt. at least for me. this bring another interesting alternative with the #8 pick. this is me and my fantasy as being a monday morning GM in the drafting game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:36 PM) The concern I have about going severely underslot with the first pick is that they'd have to wait something like 104 picks for their next selection. All it takes is a few other teams doing this same strategy, and the Sox could miss out on some guys they wanted. I'd much rather just go after the BPA with first pick. When the Cubs came went over slot last year to grab HS pitching they made their selections in round 4 and six. The Astros tried to do the same thing in rounds 5 and 20 before the Aiken ordeal went down. QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 04:54 PM) There's not been a single hint of the Sox going underslot with their first pick. Kiley McDaniel and Keith Law are probably the two best in terms of having inside information on draft strategy, and they've been suggesting nothing but collegiate starting pitching. This is true, we should all probably accept that the Sox are taking the best college pitcher on the board, but it is fun to dream. QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:35 AM) I think it was Mayo's last mock that also had Fulmer and Harris available at #8 with the Sox taking Harris over Fulmer. Kind of goes against what others are hearing in reference to whom the Sox preferences are. Harris reminds me too much of McCarthy with that high 3/4 slot. Weren't the Sox trying to get McCarthy to change his arm angle due to concerns over the additional stress that high slot induces on the shoulder? And ultimately why he was available for trade? Maybe I'm remembering this wrong... All this nonsense can be avoided if teams just go ahead and pass on Jay so the Sox have get him. Speaking of Jon Harris, I did watch Mo St this weekend and I would love for the Sox to take their #2 guy - Matt Hall - sometime around round 4 or 5 if he is still available. He does offer much in the way of velocity, but is leading DI in K's. He has a pretty devastating CB and is appears to be the consummate "crafty left hander". If the big three SP's are off the board, I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox punt on the pick and draft someone they know they won't sign. With likely a top 15 pick next year coupled with a comp at #9 and a CBA pick around #30, the Sox would have a large draft pool to be creative in structuring how they acquire talent in that draft. Next years draft is supposedly much deeper so I would view that as a viable alternative if they can't get someone they absolutely love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 03:16 PM) When the Cubs came went over slot last year to grab HS pitching they made their selections in round 4 and six. The Astros tried to do the same thing in rounds 5 and 20 before the Aiken ordeal went down. This is true, we should all probably accept that the Sox are taking the best college pitcher on the board, but it is fun to dream. Speaking of Jon Harris, I did watch Mo St this weekend and I would love for the Sox to take their #2 guy - Matt Hall - sometime around round 4 or 5 if he is still available. He does offer much in the way of velocity, but is leading DI in K's. He has a pretty devastating CB and is appears to be the consummate "crafty left hander". If the big three SP's are off the board, I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox punt on the pick and draft someone they know they won't sign. With likely a top 15 pick next year coupled with a comp at #9 and a CBA pick around #30, the Sox would have a large draft pool to be creative in structuring how they acquire talent in that draft. Next years draft is supposedly much deeper so I would view that as a viable alternative if they can't get someone they absolutely love. nice way to think outside the box. i am keeping an eye on 2 prep pitchers who just got hurt. nice FB and can be a steal in the lower rounds as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:39 AM) With Tate, Berrios, Buxton, Sano....you might be talking about the #1 farm system in the game if they all stay healthy. Berrios is probably having the #1 season of all the top pitching prospects so far. You've also got Kohl Stewart/Meyer/May/Burdi on the pitching depth side...and Dee's brother Nick (who's struggling right now) but a huge talent from all the scouting reports last season. The problem's quickly becoming not only the Royals and Tigers, but the Twins might be the best positioned to go on a long run, with Mauer's being the only really big contract on the books. For sure. The Twins are loaded. But if Fulmer falls to the Sox, I'd be content with a rotation of Sale, Quintana, Rodon, and Fulmer for the next 6 years. That stacks up with nearly everyone. Sox don't have near the amount of position players, but would have an outstanding rotation going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) For sure. The Twins are loaded. But if Fulmer falls to the Sox, I'd be content with a rotation of Sale, Quintana, Rodon, and Fulmer for the next 6 years. That stacks up with nearly everyone. Sox don't have near the amount of position players, but would have an outstanding rotation going forward. No Shark in your future plans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (LDF @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 09:49 AM) the whole game may have change now. with Fry getting hurt. at least for me. this bring another interesting alternative with the #8 pick. this is me and my fantasy as being a monday morning GM in the drafting game. Fry getting hurt, even if it is long-term (which we don't know yet), doesn't change anything on your draft strategy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:16 AM) Speaking of Jon Harris, I did watch Mo St this weekend and I would love for the Sox to take their #2 guy - Matt Hall - sometime around round 4 or 5 if he is still available. He does offer much in the way of velocity, but is leading DI in K's. He has a pretty devastating CB and is appears to be the consummate "crafty left hander". If the big three SP's are off the board, I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox punt on the pick and draft someone they know they won't sign. With likely a top 15 pick next year coupled with a comp at #9 and a CBA pick around #30, the Sox would have a large draft pool to be creative in structuring how they acquire talent in that draft. Next years draft is supposedly much deeper so I would view that as a viable alternative if they can't get someone they absolutely love. I have not seen Harris pitch, outside of a few scouting videos so I'll have to take you at your word here. The high arm slot is what concerns me but if the Sox feel comfortable with picking him, who am I to judge? I'm still hoping for Happ/Stewart if Jay, Fulmer and Tate are gone. I know, its a pipe dream according to the rumored preferences the Sox have. Nothing wrong with a little day dreaming on a sunny day right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:43 AM) No Shark in your future plans? Adding Shark to that mix would be nice, but I just don't see him staying. He's going to get so much more $$ on the open market. He'd be nuts not to test free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 2, 2015 -> 10:49 AM) Adding Shark to that mix would be nice, but I just don't see him staying. He's going to get so much more $$ on the open market. He'd be nuts not to test free agency. In that case, I hope the Sox are entertaining trade offers this season because that comp pick wont be ready for a few years and I dont see Fulmer stepping into the rotation the way Rodon did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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