2015 MLB Draft

[BlackSox13]

I was reading fan graph on their mock draft. an interesting prospect pop up.

have any ever heard of a baseball pitcher pitching with both arms?

Thanks for bringing him up.I had not heard of him and I'm not all that far from Hampshire.

 

Found this at BA on him and a video.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cap...cus-ryan-perez/

 

Kid shows pretty good off speed stuff and movement on the FB. Very interesting!

[LDF]

Thanks for bringing him up.I had not heard of him and I'm not all that far from Hampshire.

 

Found this at BA on him and a video.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cap...cus-ryan-perez/

 

Kid shows pretty good off speed stuff and movement on the FB. Very interesting!

 

yeah, seeing an actual game video of him pitching, with both arms, seems freeky. but with

his pitches as you said does look really good. I like the movement on his fastball. I am going to

keep an eye on his progress.

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Thanks for bringing him up.I had not heard of him and I'm not all that far from Hampshire.

 

Found this at BA on him and a video.

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/college/cap...cus-ryan-perez/

 

Kid shows pretty good off speed stuff and movement on the FB. Very interesting!

 

Kind of odd that most of the ABs in that video featured a R-L matchup. I wonder if that is his team utilizing splits, or if maybe he starts and finishes a game all from one side?

[LDF]

Kind of odd that most of the ABs in that video featured a R-L matchup. I wonder if that is his team utilizing splits, or if maybe he starts and finishes a game all from one side?

good point, I would imagine he will also need to change his glove as well.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

good point, I would imagine he will also need to change his glove as well.

 

I didn't notice if his glove had an extra finger or not, like Pan Venditte's.

 

Edited September 14, 2014 by Chilihead90

[BlackSox13]

Kind of odd that most of the ABs in that video featured a R-L matchup. I wonder if that is his team utilizing splits, or if maybe he starts and finishes a game all from one side?

I'm not sure. I didn't notice until you mentioned it. I was kind of preoccupied with the movement of his pitches. I honestly was not expecting that good of movement.

 

Interesting idea is that he could close his own games.

 

I really like that his father forced him to throw left handed. Baseball aside I think its good to teach kids how to use both hands, arms and legs, not just one or the other.

[LDF]

I'm not sure. I didn't notice until you mentioned it. I was kind of preoccupied with the movement of his pitches. I honestly was not expecting that good of movement.

 

Interesting idea is that he could close his own games.

 

I really like that his father forced him to throw left handed. Baseball aside I think its good to teach kids how to use both hands, arms and legs, not just one or the other.

 

yeah, but I guess that tommy john surgery also help. I have to give the kid credit for continue to

do pitch when hurt.

 

I didn't notice if his glove had an extra finger or not, like Pan Venditte's.

 

 

that is 1 weird looking glove.

 

 

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

yeah, but I guess that tommy john surgery also help. I have to give the kid credit for continue to

do pitch when hurt.

 

I wonder if guys like this, or Pat Venditte, or others who are ambidextrous pitchers can actually go something like 140 pitches a start, if you think his arm fatigue will be lessened in each arm if he is only throwing 70 pitches with each arm, or however the split may occur.

 

Steve Stone always says something like if your legs can carry you through 6 innings, your arm can carry you the last 3. Well what if EACH arm can carry him the last 3. Could someone like this pitch a 12-inning complete game? I'm sure someone has looked in to this before.

[LDF]

I wonder if guys like this, or Pat Venditte, or others who are ambidextrous pitchers can actually go something like 140 pitches a start, if you think his arm fatigue will be lessened in each arm if he is only throwing 70 pitches with each arm, or however the split may occur.

 

Steve Stone always says something like if your legs can carry you through 6 innings, your arm can carry you the last 3. Well what if EACH arm can carry him the last 3. Could someone like this pitch a 12-inning complete game? I'm sure someone has looked in to this before.

 

asking a lot of great questions. I am not knowledgeable on anything that can answer these.

 

sorry.

[thxfrthmmrs]

In the case of Venditte, I am surprised he still hasn't made it to the majors yet. He made AA in 2010 and AAA in 2012, and his minor league stats have been solid throughout his career.

 

It almost seems like the folks at MLB the Show are asking Yankees not to bring him to the majors, because someone who can pitch from both sides will cause a permanent glitch to the game.

[Chisoxfn]

I was reading fan graph on their mock draft. an interesting prospect pop up.

have any ever heard of a baseball pitcher pitching with both arms?

There was a kid who pitched at Harvard (or one of the Ivy league schools) a few years back who comprised of 2 / 3rd's of the rotation, IIRC. I think he was drafted. He was better with one arm but was considered a guy who legimately had a shot of making it and being able to use your match-ups. I can't recall his name.

[The Ultimate Champion]

I wonder if guys like this, or Pat Venditte, or others who are ambidextrous pitchers can actually go something like 140 pitches a start, if you think his arm fatigue will be lessened in each arm if he is only throwing 70 pitches with each arm, or however the split may occur.

 

Steve Stone always says something like if your legs can carry you through 6 innings, your arm can carry you the last 3. Well what if EACH arm can carry him the last 3. Could someone like this pitch a 12-inning complete game? I'm sure someone has looked in to this before.

He just means that your lower half is what drives you, but the comment really doesn't make any sense IMO. It's like throwing a punch or a kick or something, you use your mass and built-up momentum to focus the force on one specific point which you then use to release that energy onto your target. If you're throwing a punch or a pitch you're not throwing with your arms. That's really the main reason behind all the scouts loving monster 6'4"+ pitchers with thick and sturdy looking lower halves who have clean mechanics. They're the types that you'd think have a better chance at lasting longer, throwing multiple seasons in the Majors at 200IP, etc. They're also IMO the reason why Tyler Danish isn't considered a top-100 prospect right now, and probably the reason most teams would rather pick up Montas in a trade even though Danish is more polished and probably the better bet to get MLB hitters out *at all* at any point.

 

Anyway you need your lower half for 9 innings if you are going to pitch for 9 innings. If you're just out there overexerting yourself all the time (beyond what would be expected of anyone trying to build stamina) then you're just going to get hurt. I think I know what Stone is getting at here in that if you can go strong overall for 6 then you're probably set up well enough to "pitch" the last three innings by using speed variance and location more than power and "stuff" but still, that seems like some terrible advice to give anyone, especially a pitcher. I've never heard Stoney say that but that sounds like a good way to get someone doing something wrong mechanically late in the game when he's out of gas, and that's probably one of the best ways for a pitcher to hurt himself.

[The Ultimate Champion]

So wait there's actually a real prospect out there who is ambidexerhoweveryouspellit? That's cool. Is he legit or is all Axelroddy?

[BlackSox13]

So wait there's actually a real prospect out there who is ambidexerhoweveryouspellit? That's cool. Is he legit or is all Axelroddy?

Click the for baseball America I put up. It has a video of the kid pitching with both arms.

[Boopa1219]

I would take Kyle Tycker if the draft were today, he has the frame and a swing that rivals Ted Williams and he is a true 5 star talent, but his comps are crazy Strawberry, Griffey jr, Strawberry.

 

I also like Greg Picket, and Garrett Wolforth who was mentioned as being a possible top 2016 pick. If the sox draft him, I would keep him in extended spring training all year and just have him polish his game and work on his frame just like the Astros did with Correa because he will only be 17 on draft day, his tools behind the plate are rated at 7/8 and that's too good to pass up. He could be a elite prospect.

[LDF]

I would take Kyle Tycker if the draft were today, he has the frame and a swing that rivals Ted Williams and he is a true 5 star talent, but his comps are crazy Strawberry, Griffey jr, Strawberry.

 

I also like Greg Picket, and Garrett Wolforth who was mentioned as being a possible top 2016 pick. If the sox draft him, I would keep him in extended spring training all year and just have him polish his game and work on his frame just like the Astros did with Correa because he will only be 17 on draft day, his tools behind the plate are rated at 7/8 and that's too good to pass up. He could be a elite prospect.

 

anyone and everyone will be right but those prospects may fall to the 2 round. where the sox

is picking, 6-11, I will still have to go with Ian Happ. of course everything is dependent on how the

sox will identify their needs. the Ace pitchers will not be there. there are some 2nd tier pitchers

who may be there 1 college and 1 hs'er. again the question, will the sox pick a hs'er.

 

that leaves positional players and again I am using todays needs. that is why I will pick Happ.

he may be the next eaton with a little more power and will play the outfield.

 

I will like to see how things develop over the course of the yr with other prospect making a name

for themselves.

[ptatc]

I'm not sure. I didn't notice until you mentioned it. I was kind of preoccupied with the movement of his pitches. I honestly was not expecting that good of movement.

 

Interesting idea is that he could close his own games.

 

I really like that his father forced him to throw left handed. Baseball aside I think its good to teach kids how to use both hands, arms and legs, not just one or the other.

That's how Billy Wagner learned to pitch lefty. He is a righty but fractured his right arm before a baseball season so he learned to throw lefty and was better at it so he stuck with it.

[ptatc]

He just means that your lower half is what drives you, but the comment really doesn't make any sense IMO. It's like throwing a punch or a kick or something, you use your mass and built-up momentum to focus the force on one specific point which you then use to release that energy onto your target. If you're throwing a punch or a pitch you're not throwing with your arms. That's really the main reason behind all the scouts loving monster 6'4"+ pitchers with thick and sturdy looking lower halves who have clean mechanics. They're the types that you'd think have a better chance at lasting longer, throwing multiple seasons in the Majors at 200IP, etc. They're also IMO the reason why Tyler Danish isn't considered a top-100 prospect right now, and probably the reason most teams would rather pick up Montas in a trade even though Danish is more polished and probably the better bet to get MLB hitters out *at all* at any point.

 

Anyway you need your lower half for 9 innings if you are going to pitch for 9 innings. If you're just out there overexerting yourself all the time (beyond what would be expected of anyone trying to build stamina) then you're just going to get hurt. I think I know what Stone is getting at here in that if you can go strong overall for 6 then you're probably set up well enough to "pitch" the last three innings by using speed variance and location more than power and "stuff" but still, that seems like some terrible advice to give anyone, especially a pitcher. I've never heard Stoney say that but that sounds like a good way to get someone doing something wrong mechanically late in the game when he's out of gas, and that's probably one of the best ways for a pitcher to hurt himself.

Most researchers believe that most of the pitch velocity comes from the legs and trunk. It makes sense mechanically as they are the bigger muscles and are the driving force for all activities really. When your legs get tired you do throw more with your arm and this is where issues develop. This is why guys like Peavy and Rodon scare me for arm injuries. If you study a guy like Nolan Ryan look at his trunk and lower extremities and how big and strong they were. This is the idea behind the "big strong" pitcher. If you look at the injuries that finally got to Ryan they were back and hips.

In aperfect world the pitchers would throw with the legs and trunk (this is where the proper follow through is important) and just use the arm to put the proper spin on the ball.

[BlackSox13]

That's how Billy Wagner learned to pitch lefty. He is a righty but fractured his right arm before a baseball season so he learned to throw lefty and was better at it so he stuck with it.

No kidding? I did not know that.

 

While I got ya here. In the thread " its that time of year" in the Sox forums were discussing Aiken and his smaller UCL. Since you know a lot about this kind of stuff what are your thoughts on the kids UCL. The question of drafting him came up if he was available and so did his UCL. Can youmshed some light on this? It would be Much appreciated.

[LDF]

That's how Billy Wagner learned to pitch lefty. He is a righty but fractured his right arm before a baseball season so he learned to throw lefty and was better at it so he stuck with it.

 

thanks for that info. I didn't know that..... wow, and he threw heat as well

[LDF]

 

does anyone have a list for player for the 2014-2015 MLFA or idea for the sox?

[BlackSox13]

does anyone have a list for player for the 2014-2015 MLFA or idea for the sox?

Here ya go.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/2015...ree-agents.html

[LDF]

Here ya go.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/2015...ree-agents.html

 

oops wrong list, minor league free agents or those who may be free agents for the

rule 5 list.

[Boopa1219]

anyone and everyone will be right but those prospects may fall to the 2 round. where the sox

is picking, 6-11, I will still have to go with Ian Happ. of course everything is dependent on how the

sox will identify their needs. the Ace pitchers will not be there. there are some 2nd tier pitchers

who may be there 1 college and 1 hs'er. again the question, will the sox pick a hs'er.

 

that leaves positional players and again I am using todays needs. that is why I will pick Happ.

he may be the next eaton with a little more power and will play the outfield.

 

I will like to see how things develop over the course of the yr with other prospect making a name

for themselves.

 

Just going by what you said, let's talk as if we're drafting by need (I am a huge proponent of best player available), but comparing Happ and Tucker side by side, I would rather have Tucker because the Sox need to start developing impact bats to go along with their core of young pitchers, as opposed to speedsters.

[harfman77]

I think the Sox take whichever college RHSP that slips to them between Buehler, Matuela, Bickford or if they are all gone pick whichever of Fulmer, Funkhouser or OF DJ Stewart are left. All of them, potentially with the exception of Bickford, look like they will be quick movers and be able to add value to the ML roster in short order. In the second round they will find a high ceiling guy that slipped to continue to reinforce the bottom of the system.