Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/brad...unted-deal.html I don't really understand what the Astros are doing here. If they can't sign Aiken then they don't have enough $$ to sign their 2nd round pick because of losing the slot amount for the #1 pick. What happens if Aiken doesn't sign? Can he become a free agent right away? If so, I bet Aiken would receive $20+ million on the open market and I would hope that the White Sox would be involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/brad...unted-deal.html I don't really understand what the Astros are doing here. If they can't sign Aiken then they don't have enough $$ to sign their 2nd round pick because of losing the slot amount for the #1 pick. What happens if Aiken doesn't sign? Can he become a free agent right away? If so, I bet Aiken would receive $20+ million on the open market and I would hope that the White Sox would be involved. He just goes to college if he doesn't sign. Which is pretty dumb IMO. I believe he has to wait 2 years and with how hard he throws it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he meets tommy john in those 2 years and doesn't end up getting close to what he could have got this year. Edited July 15, 2014 by scs787 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:25 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/brad...unted-deal.html I don't really understand what the Astros are doing here. If they can't sign Aiken then they don't have enough $$ to sign their 2nd round pick because of losing the slot amount for the #1 pick. What happens if Aiken doesn't sign? Can he become a free agent right away? If so, I bet Aiken would receive $20+ million on the open market and I would hope that the White Sox would be involved. The Astros have a ton to lose here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Highly unlikely he becomes a FA. If he did though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Highly unlikely he becomes a FA. If he did though... What would be the process of becoming a free agent though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasttriptotulsa Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Highly unlikely he becomes a FA. If he did though... Zero chance of him becoming a free agent. If they allowed him to become a free agent that would set a dangerous precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Highly unlikely he becomes a FA. If he did though... In what scenario would he? Don't think it's possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:28 AM) He just goes to college if he doesn't sign. I don't believe that is an option since he signed a professional contract which was negotiated by an agent. I think he will file a grievance and aim to become a free agent similar to Barrett Loux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:32 AM) Zero chance of him becoming a free agent. If they allowed him to become a free agent that would set a dangerous precedent. If they made him a formal offer during the allotted time frame, he can't become a FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 The Astros screwed up a wet dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:32 AM) If they made him a formal offer during the allotted time frame, he can't become a FA. "there is now a provision that if a player fails a physical and the team fails to offer him 40 percent of the assigned value of his pick, he becomes a free agent. In that case, the club's draft cap would be reduced by the value of his selection. Loux was declared a free agent after a similar situation in 2010." http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft...12/2612723.html EDIT: Slot value is 7,922,100 and they reportedly offered 3.1 million would would be below 40%. However, I don't see why they wouldn't just offer exactly 40% and avoid this. EDIT: 3,168,840 is exactly 40%. Crafty Astros Edited July 15, 2014 by southside hitman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Are the Astros really dumb enough to not sign this kid? Man that would be bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 If there is significant damage that the Astros are so severely low balling him we shouldn't be offering him 20 million or anything at all really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:35 AM) "there is now a provision that if a player fails a physical and the team fails to offer him 40 percent of the assigned value of his pick, he becomes a free agent. In that case, the club's draft cap would be reduced by the value of his selection. Loux was declared a free agent after a similar situation in 2010." http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft...12/2612723.html The Astros are offering him far below 40% of the slot value for the #1 pick. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/brad...unted-deal.html JULY 15: The Astros believe that Aiken’s MRI revealed a “significant abnormality,” Major League sources tell Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. Aiken’s adviser, Casey Close of Excel Sports Management, tells Rosenthal that the team has made just one revised offer — a bonus of $3,168,840. That amount represents the minimum bonus Houston would need to offer in order to receive the second pick in next year’s draft as compensation. They are offering him exactly 40% of the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:35 AM) "there is now a provision that if a player fails a physical and the team fails to offer him 40 percent of the assigned value of his pick, he becomes a free agent. In that case, the club's draft cap would be reduced by the value of his selection. Loux was declared a free agent after a similar situation in 2010." http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft...12/2612723.html The Astros are offering him far below 40% of the slot value for the #1 pick. EDIT: Slot value is 7,922,100 and they reportedly offered 3.1 million would would be below 40%. However, I don't see why they wouldn't just offer exactly 40% and avoid this. $7,922,100 X 40% = $3,168,840. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 so wait, large high school pitching workloads are bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) He just goes to college if he doesn't sign. Which is pretty dumb IMO. I believe he has to wait 2 years and with how hard he throws it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he meets tommy john in those 2 years and doesn't end up getting close to what he could have got this year. Aiken doesn't throw THAT hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/brad...unted-deal.html They are offering him exactly 40% of the slot. Ok that makes sense for them to do that, though it's a very s***ty to do to Aiken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/07/15/i...ck-brady-aiken/ This is obviously from a Cubs perspective. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/casey-c...dy-aiken-071414 This one is from Ken Rosenthal. This story is fascinating. Houston is offering just enough to ensure that they will receive the #2 pick next year regardless. The problem is that it screws up their entire draft. If he doesn't sign, I believe that Aiken should go the Independent League route. He could re-enter the draft next year and get his career started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:39 AM) so wait, large high school pitching workloads are bad? His workload actually wasn't that high and he was supposedly taken care of and not really handled poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruth05 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:48 AM) http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/07/15/i...ck-brady-aiken/ This is obviously from a Cubs perspective. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/casey-c...dy-aiken-071414 This one is from Ken Rosenthal. This story is fascinating. Houston is offering just enough to ensure that they will receive the #2 pick next year regardless. The problem is that it screws up their entire draft. If he doesn't sign, I believe that Aiken should go the Independent League route. He could re-enter the draft next year and get his career started. But if he goes the IL route, ends up having TJ during the IL season, his value drops much more. It's risky on both sides, Astros are covering their ass by offering him the mandatory 40%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 What are the possibilities that the Astros are calling this significantly abnormal when it's really just a minor tear or something to attempted to save themselves an incredible amount of money? Yes, I'm aware how incredibly unethical and illegal that is. On the flip side, if Aiken has had an independent physical done and there is something incredibly wrong with him, he'd be insane not to take the money at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 Sounds like Houston is taking advantage of an unfortunate situation with Aiken for the sake of being cheap. I understand Houston's concern but aren't possible elbow problems the reason why kids are told not to throw breaking balls while their body is still growing? Aiken does have a pretty damn good curve ball for a high school pitcher. I don't remember the soxtalk members name right now but he would know better than I as for kids throwing breaking balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 10:50 AM) But if he goes the IL route, ends up having TJ during the IL season, his value drops much more. It's risky on both sides, Astros are covering their ass by offering him the mandatory 40%. Would Aiken be allowed to sit out next season and then become a free agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 15, 2014 Share Posted July 15, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 15, 2014 -> 03:52 PM) Would Aiken be allowed to sit out next season and then become a free agent? what was the salary of the other pitcher offered .... jeff Hoffman (sp). is the offer relatively the the same? no matter all my misgivings of Rodon, man the sox lucked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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