The Ultimate Champion Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 EJax did pretty well here under Coop & we need another righty. So here's my crazy 3-way trade idea: Sox send out Danks and Beckham to the Yankees, take back Edwin Jackson from the Cubs Cubs send us a good prospect and a RP or something to dump Jackson's salary The Yankees send us Murphy and a low level arm We send a fairly insignificant piece back to the Cubs for PR reasons/effect (i.e. the formula of the typical salary dump deal, you get your Brandon Hynick and you act like you are happy about it) So in summation: we basically swap Danks for EJax and pick up prospects.... does this work? It seems like EJax has very little trade value and the Cubs want to dump him, whereas Danks may have some little bit of trade value and we do not have to dump him. So we just swap the 2 contracts and get prospects for doing so, and balance the L-R part of our rotation in anticipation of Rodon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 My idea is all under the assumption that the Cubs need to dump Jackson to the point where they'd give up prospects. If their intention is to eat as much as they have to and in effect buy a prospect then it can't work. Also I expect that this idea is also terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 NO NO NO NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 I'd rather have Edwin than Danks. Sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 12:00 PM) I'd rather have Edwin than Danks. Sign me up. Did John Danks kick your dog or something? Snubbed an autograph request? EJ quality starts- 5 Danks-14 (in 1 less start btw) Edited July 19, 2014 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 12:15 PM) Did John Danks kick your dog or something? Snubbed an autograph request? EJ quality starts- 5 Danks-14 If we had EJax and the Cubs had Danks I'd probably propose the same scenario in a different way as long as it had us getting prospects. I just want to make trades, that's all. Just make trades. Lots and lots and lots of trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 12:24 PM) If we had EJax and the Cubs had Danks I'd probably propose the same scenario in a different way as long as it had us getting prospects. I just want to make trades, that's all. Just make trades. Lots and lots and lots of trades. Your scenario wouldn't be THAT bad depending on what prospects they get back. My last post was just directed at the clown who may have a Danks turd floating around in his cereal bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Put in it's simplest form, let's say there is a way we can swap Danks' contract for EJax's deal in a way that has us receiving 2 prospects both of which would rank in our Top 15 and one of which would rank in the Top 9-10 of our system. If such a scenario exists, would you pull the trigger on that, especially given our need to (at least eventually) clear a spot for Rodon under the most likely scenario of our org planning for a 3-lefty rotation? Edited July 19, 2014 by The Ultimate Champion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Also would anyone give up a decent prospect if the Cubs gave us EJax at something like $5-6M per? I would give the Cubs some spare parts for salary relief, but they'd probably want something like Semien, and I'd say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) NO NO NO NO This right here. Jax is a downgrade from Danks. Enough said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 This year, Edwin Jackson has an FIP of 4.27, with an xFIP of 3.95 going forward. Also has a K rate of 8.13 and an average fastball of 93 mph. Danks has an FIP of 4.60, with an xFIP of 4.75. He doesn't throw hard enough to break a plane of glass (88 average fastball). I'd rather have Edwin, and it's not particularly close. This is all an exercise anyway; Cooper doesn't like Edwin, so that's that. If you guys don't buy these stats, that's fine. But other GMs are aware of them. And that's why we aren't going to get s*** for Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 05:53 PM) My idea is all under the assumption that the Cubs need to dump Jackson to the point where they'd give up prospects. If their intention is to eat as much as they have to and in effect buy a prospect then it can't work. Also I expect that this idea is also terrible. Dan Bernstein, is that you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 02:58 PM) Dan Bernstein, is that you? I may not be Dan Bernstein but I bet my input is equally as useful ... you know I was going to follow this statement with a baghead emoticon but to my utter shock the baghead emoticon is GONE WTF?!?!?! I just wanna know riught now, how in the f*** is this site supposed to operate without a baghead emoticon ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING the type of season we're enduring? I am completely at a loss. I see this smiley guy holding a UK flag, why? I mean I get why you'd want to add the look at me titties emoticon but NOT at the expense of the baghead emoticon!! Trhis is completly ridiculous IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 12:51 PM) This right here. Jax is a downgrade from Danks. Enough said. I agrtee, but wee are also a domwngrade from what you would call a good solid baseball team & so why not look at add prospects? But I agree though, that's the conundrum of any s***ty team, you want to get better, not worse, but sometimes you have to get worse now to get better later? Where do you draw the line? I dont know Roostifer, I really don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) I may not be Dan Bernstein but I bet my input is equally as useful ... you know I was going to follow this statement with a baghead emoticon but to my utter shock the baghead emoticon is GONE Don't sell yourself short. The gunk I picked out of my eye this morning is more useful than Bernstein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 04:08 PM) I agrtee, but wee are also a domwngrade from what you would call a good solid baseball team & so why not look at add prospects? But I agree though, that's the conundrum of any s***ty team, you want to get better, not worse, but sometimes you have to get worse now to get better later? Where do you draw the line? I dont know Roostifer, I really don't know. I draw the line at Jax. I kid I kid. I like that your thinking outside the box and in fact that's what I like about ya TUC, you aren't afraid to throw some s*** at a wall and see what sticks. My line of thinking is Jax and Danks are close enough that I would rather keep what we have rather than going back to banging the old whore we used to bang. The Sox dumped that hagg for a reason right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 02:09 PM) This year, Edwin Jackson has an FIP of 4.27, with an xFIP of 3.95 going forward. Also has a K rate of 8.13 and an average fastball of 93 mph. Danks has an FIP of 4.60, with an xFIP of 4.75. He doesn't throw hard enough to break a plane of glass (88 average fastball). I'd rather have Edwin, and it's not particularly close. This is all an exercise anyway; Cooper doesn't like Edwin, so that's that. If you guys don't buy these stats, that's fine. But other GMs are aware of them. And that's why we aren't going to get s*** for Danks. Then you don't trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 12:00 PM) I'd rather have Edwin than Danks. Sign me up. I'm not a Danks guy but da fuk? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 11:51 AM) EJax did pretty well here under Coop & we need another righty. So here's my crazy 3-way trade idea: Sox send out Danks and Beckham to the Yankees, take back Edwin Jackson from the Cubs Cubs send us a good prospect and a RP or something to dump Jackson's salary The Yankees send us Murphy and a low level arm We send a fairly insignificant piece back to the Cubs for PR reasons/effect (i.e. the formula of the typical salary dump deal, you get your Brandon Hynick and you act like you are happy about it) So in summation: we basically swap Danks for EJax and pick up prospects.... does this work? It seems like EJax has very little trade value and the Cubs want to dump him, whereas Danks may have some little bit of trade value and we do not have to dump him. So we just swap the 2 contracts and get prospects for doing so, and balance the L-R part of our rotation in anticipation of Rodon. Jackson is terrible. Just take Danks for JR Murphy and a low level arm and I'll do a dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 12:51 PM) EJax did pretty well here under Coop & we need another righty. So here's my crazy 3-way trade idea: Sox send out Danks and Beckham to the Yankees, take back Edwin Jackson from the Cubs Cubs send us a good prospect and a RP or something to dump Jackson's salary The Yankees send us Murphy and a low level arm We send a fairly insignificant piece back to the Cubs for PR reasons/effect (i.e. the formula of the typical salary dump deal, you get your Brandon Hynick and you act like you are happy about it) So in summation: we basically swap Danks for EJax and pick up prospects.... does this work? It seems like EJax has very little trade value and the Cubs want to dump him, whereas Danks may have some little bit of trade value and we do not have to dump him. So we just swap the 2 contracts and get prospects for doing so, and balance the L-R part of our rotation in anticipation of Rodon. Don't we have enough pitchers that don't throw strikes consistently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Don't we have enough pitchers that don't throw strikes consistently Yep. Like Danks and his 3.46 BBs/9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 08:14 PM) Yep. Like Danks and his 3.46 BBs/9. Or like Jackson's 4.0 BB/9 ? If youre going to cherry pick, at least cherry pick the stats that support your argument and not others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Or like Jackson's 4.0 BB/9 ? If youre going to cherry pick, at least cherry pick the stats that support your argument and not others. Can you tell me something that Danks actually does well, other than having a horseshoe up his ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 19, 2014 -> 09:48 PM) Can you tell me something that Danks actually does well, other than having a horseshoe up his ass? I'll take the horseshoe over Jackson anytime. So your solution is bring a guy back that we couldn't wait to show the door? Just plain dumb. I'm not against getting rid of Danks, but the point is to improve which Jackson does not do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 20, 2014 Share Posted July 20, 2014 Sox need to trade Danks if they can get some value. The Sox have absolutely no place for Edwin Jackson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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