Jim Fainter Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 I saw an interesting tidbit on Ponson in the ESPN Magazine. Since he was a potential free agent, the Orioles anticipated trading him all along, and from the start of the season they pitched Ponson against other teams' number 4 and 5 starters whenever possible. This was to inflate his trade value. He had a 14-6 record when traded, and, according to the article the opposing pitchers had a 5.80 ERA. True, most of his victories came against lower tier pitchers and his six losses came against the likes of Loaiza, Colon, Maddux, Pettitte, Radke, and Burkett. Another gossip column in the same issue had a comment on Loaiza: "Congrats to Cy Young candidate Loaiza for turning his career around. He deserved his old rep for showing up late to the ballpark and not caring as much as he should, but he's been a different guy for the White Sox this year." That reputation is news to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Well that reputation should automatically put him in HSC's Doghouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Sidney Ponson has always been a mediocre pitcher. He always looked like he had good stuff, just didn't seem to pan out until this season. I think that the ESPN article may have something there, but he still has to go and perform even then. It doesn't look like he only pitched against lower pitchers. And atleast you know he could be a number 2 or 3 since he can beat most 3's. Obviously the Orioles wanted alot of Ponson, but I think he was worth it for the Giants. He doesn't have to be their ace, they have Jason Schmidt. I would laugh if Ponson signs with the O's after this season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Barto Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 The orioles got a couple of good players for Ponson. I'm glad the sox didn't get him only because his record was better than his ability. That article has a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted September 1, 2003 Share Posted September 1, 2003 Well Sidney Ponson pitched against Curt Schilling today and got the win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 true..but i think the era should be more important than the record since u do face the same hitters as the other pitchers adn its not like the decide not to hit u still gotta get the outs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Well Sidney Ponson pitched against Curt Schilling today and got the win. LOl these people dont know a good pitcher when they see one. Ponson is a very good pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 what has he done so good in his career...he is fat and just lucky..besides this game he has been bad for the giants... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 what has he done so good in his career...he is fat and just lucky..besides this game he has been bad for the giants... I guess Loaiza has been lucky too..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 what has he done so good in his career...he is fat and just lucky..besides this game he has been bad for the giants... Its called talent. Watch for it in the playoffs. And i think it has been proven that a pitchers weight means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 no his era has been among the top pitchers in the league for the entire season...so are u comparing ponson with loaiza??.i sure hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 no his era has been among the top pitchers in the league for the entire season...so are u comparing ponson with loaiza??.i sure hope not. Coming into this season I would have taken Ponson in a heartbeat ahead of Elo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 everyone has talent...its the ones who come up big for their teams in clutch situations..i guess we will see how ponson handles himslef during the playoffs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmr31 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 everyone has talent...its the ones who come up big for their teams in clutch situations..i guess we will see how ponson handles himslef during the playoffs... Thats ridiculous. Theres a WORLD of difference between the talent of Mark Prior and some medicore 5th man. Talent means a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 well im glad your not the sox gm or we would have been screwed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 people have different levels of talent, but someone must think your special to take a chance on you...i was not comparing ponson and prior... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike12345 Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 well he wasnt available so there is really no point in talking about this...at this point i am glad with what we have and i do not think ponson is as good as his record... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 2, 2003 Share Posted September 2, 2003 Remember what the Os did really doesn't fool major league front offices. They have the staff to analyze all his outings before pulling a trade. And while it's true he was pitching against the other teams 4-5 starter the oppponents were still batting their 1st lineup. I wish we culd teach whatever turned E-LO around. The new pitch, a little more confidence, etc. By the time a player is in the majors it has to be assumed he has talent and a lot of it. What they get out of that talent seperates the top players and the mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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