southsider2k5 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/followi...rade-him-072114 The odd man out in the Oakland Athletics’ rotation wants to be gone for good. Left-hander Tommy Milone has asked the club to trade him, major-league sources tell FOX Sports. more at link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) He's got a 4.43 FIP, so he "has a horseshoe up his arse".....Really though I'm not sure he'd have the same success in the Cell as he has in Oakland. Edited July 21, 2014 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 I hope the Sox are all over this. Give them Beckham. I really, really like Milone even for soft his stuff is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WKamm Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 04:36 PM) I hope the Sox are all over this. Give them Beckham. I really, really like Milone even for soft his stuff is. Beckham's defense is too valuable for just Milone. Throw in Freiman and Pomeranz, and I'd be OK with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 QUOTE (WKamm @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 03:59 PM) Beckham's defense is too valuable for just Milone. Throw in Freiman and Pomeranz, and I'd be OK with it. Green? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) Green? I hope so. Beckham isn't hitting and hasnt been for a little bit now. I'd do Beckham for Milone in a second, though I think a low level spect may have to go with Beckham to Oakland. Im not sure how Milone would do at the cell but after all the pitching we've seen come and go, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Just gonna throw this out there - the Sox are not getting 3 arb years of Milone for one arb year of Beckham. The Sox don't match up well with Oakland unfortunately - this would be a good return for Viciedo but they do not need a corner OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Why would y'all want a garbage pitcher who has more of a noodle arm than Danks? If he can't pitch in the Coliseum, how's he going to do at the Cell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 TAKE ALL OF THE LEFTIES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Beckham for Milone f*** it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Why would anyone want to leave an obvious playoff team? And then going public with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 06:45 AM) Why would anyone want to leave an obvious playoff team? And then going public with it. Players want to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 06:42 PM) TAKE ALL OF THE LEFTIES We need one more LH Reliever going into next year to come from somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:24 PM) Just gonna throw this out there - the Sox are not getting 3 arb years of Milone for one arb year of Beckham. The Sox don't match up well with Oakland unfortunately - this would be a good return for Viciedo but they do not need a corner OF. Hell, give them Dunn too then. QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 21, 2014 -> 05:36 PM) Why would y'all want a garbage pitcher who has more of a noodle arm than Danks? If he can't pitch in the Coliseum, how's he going to do at the Cell? So did you look at his numbers or just assume he was pitching poorly because he was demoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 07:45 AM) Why would anyone want to leave an obvious playoff team? And then going public with it. Because he is not on a playoff team. He is in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Hell, give them Dunn too then. So did you look at his numbers or just assume he was pitching poorly because he was demoted? FIP of 4.43, xFIP of 4.51. One Danks is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) FIP of 4.43, xFIP of 4.51. One Danks is enough. Mark Buehrle's career FIP is 4.12 and his xFIP is 4.21. Are you telling me you wouldn't like him? Milone is young, cost controlled, and good. Just because he is a guy who pitches to contact - hence, the higher FIP and xFIP - doesn't make him a bad pitcher. He would be a welcome addition to the pitching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) Mark Buehrle's career FIP is 4.12 and his xFIP is 4.21. Are you telling me you wouldn't like him? Milone is young, cost controlled, and good. Just because he is a guy who pitches to contact - hence, the higher FIP and xFIP - doesn't make him a bad pitcher. He would be a welcome addition to the pitching staff. Buehrle is almost freakishly capable of pitching better than his peripherals because he's one of the best defensive pitchers ever and he completely shuts down the running game. People need to stop using him in discussions on the usefulness or otherwise of peripherals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:34 AM) Buehrle is almost freakishly capable of pitching better than his peripherals because he's one of the best defensive pitchers ever and he completely shuts down the running game. People need to stop using him in discussions on the usefulness or otherwise of peripherals. Not at all. Guys outperform their FIPs all the time, especially soft-tossers. Buehrle's career ERA of 3.80 - a difference of .32 - is not significantly different. It's not a stretch to assume that Milone could put up an ERA of 3.75-4.00, especially considering his FIP this year appears inflated overall (career FIP 4.14/xFIP 4.20 in 468.2 IP). Even so, are people here really THAT opposed to acquiring a guy that could put up a 4.25-4.50 ERA who is entering his prime and under team control for the next 3 years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:37 AM) Not at all. Guys outperform their FIPs all the time, especially soft-tossers. Buehrle's career ERA of 3.80 - a difference of .32 - is not significantly different. It's not a stretch to assume that Milone could put up an ERA of 3.75-4.00, especially considering his FIP this year appears inflated overall (career FIP 4.14/xFIP 4.20 in 468.2 IP). Even so, are people here really THAT opposed to acquiring a guy that could put up a 4.25-4.50 ERA who is entering his prime and under team control for the next 3 years? It would be WAY down my list of things we need to grab, but if the deal was right, you do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Cue the Coolio - Livin' in a lefties' paradise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feeky Magee Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 10:37 AM) Not at all. Guys outperform their FIPs all the time, especially soft-tossers. Buehrle's career ERA of 3.80 - a difference of .32 - is not significantly different. It's not a stretch to assume that Milone could put up an ERA of 3.75-4.00, especially considering his FIP this year appears inflated overall (career FIP 4.14/xFIP 4.20 in 468.2 IP). Even so, are people here really THAT opposed to acquiring a guy that could put up a 4.25-4.50 ERA who is entering his prime and under team control for the next 3 years? I know it's not significantly different. I'd expect that to change. Per DRS, Buehrle has saved over 7 runs over average per season. Milone has a little over 1 per. Buehre has allowed a stolen base once every 52 innings. Milone once every 21. That's two pretty damn good reasons why Buehrle significantly overperforms his peripherals. What's the reason for Milone? And fwiw, Milone in the minors: 2008 - FIP: 3.26, ERA: 3.51 2009 - FIP: 2.59, ERA: 2.89 2010 - FIP: 3.53, ERA: 2.91 2011 - FIP: 2.28, ERA: 3.22 I'm not even saying he wouldn't be nice to have, I'm commenting solely on the use of Buerhle in terms of judging peripherals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 QUOTE (Feeky Magee @ Jul 22, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) I know it's not significantly different. I'd expect that to change. Per DRS, Buehrle has saved over 7 runs over average per season. Milone has a little over 1 per. Buehre has allowed a stolen base once every 52 innings. Milone once every 21. That's two pretty damn good reasons why Buehrle significantly overperforms his peripherals. What's the reason for Milone? And fwiw, Milone in the minors: 2008 - FIP: 3.26, ERA: 3.51 2009 - FIP: 2.59, ERA: 2.89 2010 - FIP: 3.53, ERA: 2.91 2011 - FIP: 2.28, ERA: 3.22 I'm not even saying he wouldn't be nice to have, I'm commenting solely on the use of Buerhle in terms of judging peripherals. Because he comes from the Tom Glavine school of pitching. Get the ball in play with no one on, screw the nails to the wall and pitch for weak contact with men on and in scoring position. Bases empty - .264/.301/.448 Men on base - .258/.315/.389 RISP - .228/.302/.354 The RISP does seem as though it's due for a bit of regression, as that's only a 113 IP sample size, but, as the ISO's indicate in both OBP and SLG, he slows down a lot and pitches away from hitters with runners on base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy the Clown Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Mark Buehrle's career FIP is 4.12 and his xFIP is 4.21. Are you telling me you wouldn't like him? Milone is young, cost controlled, and good. Just because he is a guy who pitches to contact - hence, the higher FIP and xFIP - doesn't make him a bad pitcher. He would be a welcome addition to the pitching staff. Milone's ERA on the road is nearly a run and a half higher than it is at home for his career, with awful peripherals to match. Take him out of the Coliseum, and he's a really bad pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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