southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1h icymi: phils have been trying to trade ryan howard, and are willing to pay most of the $70M to go. http://cbsprt.co/1kZhFjy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:42 AM) Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1h icymi: phils have been trying to trade ryan howard, and are willing to pay most of the $70M to go. http://cbsprt.co/1kZhFjy Sort of tells you something right there. Beware of guys teams are willing to pay $40-50 million if not more, not to play for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I see this and imagine an Onion type headline stating "Phillies don't want bad baseball player on team, want someone to help pay for bad baseball player's contract." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Phillies have a lot of guys who make a lot of money that are going to get traded. And will likely have to eat a lot of cash in these contracts. Will be interesting to see what they do. Hamels, Lee, Utley, etc. Howard is just awful so I don't know who would pick him up. Hurt the last couple of years and just signed to an awful deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Give us 62 million and we'll take him for our dh. We'll give you Jared Mitchell too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Good luck Philly. If Dunn is a difficult move with approximately 7M left on his contract, Howard will be pretty much impossible with 70M+ left on his. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 If you got them for an effective cost of say $5 million annually, would you rather have Howard or Dunn going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) Give us 62 million and we'll take him for our dh. We'll give you Jared Mitchell too. I'd rather resign Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Ignore salaries for a minute. Who is most likely to be the most productive hitter between now and the end of the 2016 season: Ryan Howard Adam Dunn Andy Wilkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) If you got them for an effective cost of say $5 million annually, would you rather have Howard or Dunn going forward. Cyanide. At $1-4 mill, I'd rather have Dunn. He can at least stand in the outfield and shag fly balls during a live game, he still draws walks and that power isn't going away any time soon. Howard is just brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) If you got them for an effective cost of say $5 million annually, would you rather have Howard or Dunn going forward. Dunn though he's also somehow a tougher sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Who would you rather have in your lineup? Ryan Howard: .224/.305/.377/.682, brings nothing else to the table Mysterious Man: .235/.306/.359/.665, 13 SBs, 68% SB% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 They officially moved Howard into a platoon with Darin Ruf, but the problem is Howard can't even hit RHP this year. In 280 ABs, he is at .229/.314/.368 vs. RHP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 08:51 AM) If you got them for an effective cost of say $5 million annually, would you rather have Howard or Dunn going forward. Absolutely neither of them. I certainly don't want Dunn to play another game with the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:55 AM) Who would you rather have in your lineup? Ryan Howard: .224/.305/.377/.682, brings nothing else to the table Mysterious Man: .235/.306/.359/.665, 13 SBs, 68% SB% De Aza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 08:53 AM) Ignore salaries for a minute. Who is most likely to be the most productive hitter between now and the end of the 2016 season: Ryan Howard Adam Dunn Andy Wilkins Probably Dunn but I wouldn't think it would be a wise strategy to pencil any of them into our lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 09:53 AM) Ignore salaries for a minute. Who is most likely to be the most productive hitter between now and the end of the 2016 season: Ryan Howard Adam Dunn Andy Wilkins Dunn, easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) If you got them for an effective cost of say $5 million annually, would you rather have Howard or Dunn going forward. Oh great, a choice between two fat chicks that are capable of putting OCB out of business in one sitting. I will consult my crystal beer ball tonight to decide which gets rolled in the flour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) De Aza. You win the prize. Seriously, it's amazing how bad Howard is nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 08:44 AM) I see this and imagine an Onion type headline stating "Phillies don't want bad baseball player on team, want someone to help pay for bad baseball player's contract." Or Phillies willing to feed Howard Subway for life if he'll just go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) Ryan Howard is terrible. He is worse than Dunn, and we already have Konerko. To take the "fat chick" analogy further: You have to be specifically IN to fat chicks to even look at Ryan Howard. Edited July 25, 2014 by Eminor3rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 11:05 AM) Or Phillies willing to feed Howard Subway for life if he'll just go away Howard is so bad, Subway doesn't put him in the commercials anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 10:46 AM) Phillies have a lot of guys who make a lot of money that are going to get traded. And will likely have to eat a lot of cash in these contracts. Will be interesting to see what they do. Hamels, Lee, Utley, etc. Howard is just awful so I don't know who would pick him up. Hurt the last couple of years and just signed to an awful deal. They need to completely blow up their team. I would be basically trying to trade the entire starting rotation, Papelbon, Rollins, Utley, Byrd, Ruiz and Howard. That team is really bad, really old, and expensive. There isn't a single player on that roster who is under 30 that is good (other than a couple of relievers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jul 25, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) They need to completely blow up their team. I would be basically trying to trade the entire starting rotation, Papelbon, Rollins, Utley, Byrd, Ruiz and Howard. That team is really bad, really old, and expensive. There isn't a single player on that roster who is under 30 that is good (other than a couple of relievers). They need a team to really want Hamels who will take on other bad contracts without sending over cash. Basically, they need a team like the Dodgers to do what they did a few years ago when they got Crawford, Gonzalez, and Beckett and completely bail out the Red Sox. Unfortunately for the Phillies that is unlikely to happen. Hamels and Utley are the two guys with much any value and even Hamels value is limited in the fact that he's signed to big money until he's like 38 or something. Lee is a solid pick-up for a contender, except for the fact that he has a huge buy-out, something like 12.5M so Phils would have to at least send that type of cash over to get a halfway decent prospect or two. Stuff like this is why I'm totally fine dumping Danks and having all of the flexibility we can. Danks isn't a bargain and while he isn't a bad pitcher, he isn't going to be key when our core matters and that money can be invested in other areas, imo. I feel same way with Alexei and that is mainly because I believe we'll see pretty significant declines in his defense which will totally limit his value going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Is Howard one of those guys who a "change of scenery" will help, or is he just really bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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