Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) That's kind of bogus. The Red Sox did a great job negotiating that contract (or at least that aspect of it) and they don't get to reap the benefits. If they gave him 20 million they wouldn't be able to back out. I wonder how that contract year is affecting the trade talks. http://firebrandal.com/2014/07/29/john-lac...r-2015-red-sox/ Here's a little bit on it. He will use it as means for an extension. So while you may get him dirt cheap next season, the year after will cost you. I guess it makes a lot of sense for teams with money coming off the books in a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Downtown518 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 11:08 AM) Peter Gammons @pgammo 59s The Indians are trading Justin Masterson to the Cardinals For James Ramsey, the Cards 1st round pick in 2012. Edited July 30, 2014 by iamshack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) For James Ramsey, the Cards 1st round pick in 2012. Not a bad return for the 2014 Masterson. I wonder if Cleveland is picking up mopst of the cash. I would imagine so. Edited July 30, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) Not a bad return for the 2014 Masterson. I wonder if Cleveland is picking up mopst of the cash. I would imagine so. Yeah, I was surprised they got that much. Probably tells you more about what teams are asking for then anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 01:15 PM) Yeah, I was surprised they got that much. Probably tells you more about what teams are asking for then anything. This is why I think Hahn can actually get something for Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 JIM BOWDEN @JimBowdenESPNxm 4m Don’t be surprised if Billy Beane makes one more big deal for the A’s by the deadline….and they are “in” on Jon Lester #A’s Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 2m Diamondbacks are prepared to move Martin Prado in the right deal, a shift from a week ago. .693 OPS in '14, owed $11m in '15, $11m in 16. Peter Gammons @pgammo 4m Dodgers have made it clear they're not trading Pederson, Seager or Urias, no longer on Lester, Price or Hamels. Thinking backend SP, bench Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 1m Sources: Marlins and Red Sox are discussing a possible John Lackey trade. @FOXSports1 Things finally starting to heat up a bit? Possible Danks to Dodgers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 2m I'm told Masterson acquisition does not necessarily take Cardinals out of the Jon Lester sweepstakes. Alex Speier @alexspeier 4m Farrell says Lester expected in uniform with Sox today. No roster move yet to announce to clear spot for Workman. Jon Morosi @jonmorosi 51s Cardinals still could acquire Jon Lester, but that may require giving up Shelby Miller, who is currently in the rotation. Edited July 30, 2014 by SoxPride18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Cubs get Felix Doubrant from Red Sox for PTBNL O's close to acquiring Lester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) Cubs get Felix Doubrant from Red Sox for PTBNL O's close to acquiring Lester. Interesting. So if Boston isn't going to win, they are going to do their best to make sure the Yankees don't either. Rivalries are dope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 02:46 PM) Interesting. So if Boston isn't going to win, they are going to do their best to make sure the Yankees don't either. Rivalries are dope. If O's are giving them the best offer, it's in their best interest, especially since they seem to be indicating they have a great shot at re-signing him after this season. So they'll have solid prospects from an in division rival and potentially a front-line pitcher back in 2015, sounds great for BoSox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:38 AM) I think you can have the best of both worlds here. I really don't think it matters if the Sox finish the season with 75 wins or 81 wins. I honestly believe Hahn will be aggressive in the FA market this winter regardless. I also have noticed that Hahn and the organization are finally putting a premium on draft picks. If you look at the farm system, it has improved quite a bit from where it was in 2012. The organization and most other MLB teams know that you need to build from within in today's game. Especially with the limitations of the new CBA. With that said, if the Sox are in the bottom 10, they can get that coveted first rounder AND have a solid chance of obtaining a top tier free agent with a risk of only losing a second rounder. Another thing to consider is some of these FAs might not even cost a pick if they were denied a QO. In my opinion, we will not see much of this as teams want draft picks. The best case scenario will be for the Sox to drop in the bottom 10, sign Shields and possibly a C and new DH, get another talented first round draft pick and be ready to compete in 2015. If the Sox drop into the top 10, signing James Shields probably isn't a good idea, because as of today, he's basically an average #2 to strong #3 on a contender, and he's probably only got one to two years of that performance in him. I'd rather the team play well enough that Hahn is in a position to sacrifice the money and pick because that strong #3 is going to make us serious. Maybe we're simply not there yet, but that's where I'm rooting for us to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:08 AM) I think we're the same person, which also makes you a smellface. So...suck it. I'll suck it, but it can't be signature official until at least two people say it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 02:55 PM) I'll suck it, Too much informatioin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Beane doesn't have the horses for Lester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 I can't see the Sox spending money on anyone that will also cost them a draft pick this off-season. The guys that are worth giving up a pick for not be viable candidates for the Sox and the pick is worth more than signing the Ubaldo Jimenez's of the world. I can see the Sox signing Masterson now that draft pick compensation cannot be tied to him and perhaps Edinson Volquez or Kyle Kendrick as a stopgap until Rodon is ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 02:57 PM) Too much informatioin. Speak for yourself. I say too little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 02:55 PM) I'll suck it, but it can't be signature official until at least two people say it! So you want at least 2 people to watch you suck it? Interesting, definitely more interesting than the trade deadline this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:08 PM) I can't see the Sox spending money on anyone that will also cost them a draft pick this off-season. The guys that are worth giving up a pick for not be viable candidates for the Sox and the pick is worth more than signing the Ubaldo Jimenez's of the world. I can see the Sox signing Masterson now that draft pick compensation cannot be tied to him and perhaps Edinson Volquez or Kyle Kendrick as a stopgap until Rodon is ready. Yeah, Masterson has to be pretty thrilled right now at not having the compensation monster hanging over his off season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 30, 2014 Author Share Posted July 30, 2014 Just wondering, it says Lackey is probably going to be traded, and there were reports of the Sox scouting Boston's MiLB system because of a possible Danks deal. What if that is wrong & we're really looking to get Lackey and that's the real connection? Just throwin it out there but he's a righty who will make the league minimum next year and if Danks goes then a Sale-Lackey-Q-Noesi-Rodon rotation next year could be respectable. Probably not a contender but with enough offense it could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:13 PM) Yeah, Masterson has to be pretty thrilled right now at not having the compensation monster hanging over his off season. After how he has performed this year, you have to figure if it was offered he would have taken it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:16 PM) Just wondering, it says Lackey is probably going to be traded, and there were reports of the Sox scouting Boston's MiLB system because of a possible Danks deal. What if that is wrong & we're really looking to get Lackey and that's the real connection? Just throwin it out there but he's a righty who will make the league minimum next year and if Danks goes then a Sale-Lackey-Q-Noesi-Rodon rotation next year could be respectable. Probably not a contender but with enough offense it could be. I guess you never know what's going to happen. I thought it was also interesting that the Sox were scouting Boston's farm. Perhaps Hahn is working on yet another three way deal? I really don't see the White Sox giving up prospects at this point in the "re-tooling" process. Kudos for looking outside the box though. I guess at this point anything can happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 according to mlb rumors cle in looking to move their SS Cabrera.... look as cle is moving salary and / or potential excuse not to renew high salary players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 07:13 PM) according to mlb rumors cle in looking to move their SS Cabrera.... look as cle is moving salary and / or potential excuse not to renew high salary players. Or it might have something to do with that Francisco Lindor guy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 (edited) This month’s Kenta Maeda watch: the 26-year-old Japanese righty is down to a 2.08 ERA in 15 starts. Can't remember the name of the Korean pitcher who was being hyped in the off-season. Found him. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1946537...xt-hyun-jin-ryu Here's a story on the Korean pitcher represented by Boras who has drawn interest from at least six teams... Suk-Min Yoon Yoon is on the small side, standing at an even six feet and weighing 180 pounds. He throws in the mid-90s, though, and complements his fastball with a hard, biting slider and a change-up that MLB scouts describe as above average. Though a starter, he has only thrown what we would consider an entire season's work (~175+ IP) once, in 2011. As best I can gather, the average starter in the KBO throws around 150 to 180 innings, making 25 to 30 starts, per season, often supplementing those starts with relief outings here and there. Based on the above video, Yoon doesn’t feature a devastating splitter like Tanaka or a tantalizing breaking ball(s) like Yu Darvish. However, as is the case with most Korean and Japanese pitchers, everything he throws has late movement, which should aid Yoon’s effectiveness as he transitions into Major League Baseball. Edited July 31, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 31, 2014 Share Posted July 31, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 11:00 PM) This month’s Kenta Maeda watch: the 26-year-old Japanese righty is down to a 2.08 ERA in 15 starts. Can't remember the name of the Korean pitcher who was being hyped in the off-season. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1946537...xt-hyun-jin-ryu Here's a story on the Korean pitcher represented by Boras who has drawn interest from at least six teams... Suk-Min Yoon Yoon is on the small side, standing at an even six feet and weighing 180 pounds. He throws in the mid-90s, though, and complements his fastball with a hard, biting slider and a change-up that MLB scouts describe as above average. Though a starter, he has only thrown what we would consider an entire season's work (~175+ IP) once, in 2011. As best I can gather, the average starter in the KBO throws around 150 to 180 innings, making 25 to 30 starts, per season, often supplementing those starts with relief outings here and there. Based on the above video, Yoon doesn’t feature a devastating splitter like Tanaka or a tantalizing breaking ball(s) like Yu Darvish. However, as is the case with most Korean and Japanese pitchers, everything he throws has late movement, which should aid Yoon’s effectiveness as he transitions into Major League Baseball. Yoon has been with the O's all year man...And he's been awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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