southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 11:22 PM) I can see us signing James Shields this offseason IF we were to do something, I see us more in the Masterson market. I don't see us shopping at the luxury store. I see us shopping at the outlet mall for bargains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 11:32 PM) If he hits the market, I certainly can see that happening. Cueto or Scherzer would be fun as well. Schezer would not be fun. I don't consider $200 million contracts for pitchers "fun". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:13 AM) Think he means the SB/CS numbers. 10-for-16 isn't great. Which is a really narrow view. While he might not have his base stealing technique down, the guy is the best base runner the team has. He gets great reads, takes the extra base whenever humanly possible, and is always running the bases at 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 12:55 AM) Yeah if they aren't in the top 10, I don't think they'll be signing a protected free agent. Just doesn't make any sense. I kinda dislike this logic. Understand it yes, but really dislike it. Sox right now, IMO are just a few pieces away from being a serious threat. Regardless of where they finish I really think they should go for it next year. If Shields/Cueto/Scherzer hit the market I think it's worth losing a pick in the 5-10 range. Where does it end? If the finish out of the bottom 10 the next few years do the just never add a marquee FA? Sox have arguably the best pitcher and best hitter in the game and a lot of good complimentary pieces in guys like Q/Eaton/Gillaspie/Lexi/Avi. I see no reason to waste a year or 2 or 3 of those guys again for anything less than a top 5 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Man what a fun game to go to. Seeing Abreu live was great! Goin again thursday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 08:47 AM) I kinda dislike this logic. Understand it yes, but really dislike it. Sox right now, IMO are just a few pieces away from being a serious threat. Regardless of where they finish I really think they should go for it next year. If Shields/Cueto/Scherzer hit the market I think it's worth losing a pick in the 5-10 range. Where does it end? If the finish out of the bottom 10 the next few years do the just never add a marquee FA? Sox have arguably the best pitcher and best hitter in the game and a lot of good complimentary pieces in guys like Q/Eaton/Gillaspie/Lexi/Avi. I see no reason to waste a year or 2 or 3 of those guys again for anything less than a top 5 pick. It ends when the team actually IS a few pieces from being a serious threat. Right now, we're an entire bullpen, a starting C, and at least two decent starters from being a serious threat, and we could really use at least one corner OF as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:35 AM) Schezer would not be fun. I don't consider $200 million contracts for pitchers "fun". Meh, honestly payroll is gonna be really low. With the team friendly deals they signed Sale and Q to I really think they could sacrifice that kinda money. You probably don't do it with Danks still on the team, but if they can trade him, the payroll would be at 28M pre arbitration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) It ends when the team actually IS a few pieces from being a serious threat. Right now, we're an entire bullpen, a starting C, and at least two decent starters from being a serious threat, and we could really use at least one corner OF as well. I really want to see what Taylor can do in LF or RF from August 1 on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) Meh, honestly payroll is gonna be really low. With the team friendly deals they signed Sale and Q to I really think they could sacrifice that kinda money. You probably don't do it with Danks still on the team, but if they can trade him, the payroll would be at 28M pre arbitration. A good way to destroy an organization is to give out bad contracts just because you can. Ask the Phillies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 09:56 AM) It ends when the team actually IS a few pieces from being a serious threat. Right now, we're an entire bullpen, a starting C, and at least two decent starters from being a serious threat, and we could really use at least one corner OF as well. Meh, with the emergence of Petricka and Putnam, plus hopefully a reemergence of Nate Jones the pen can be fixed. Webb is probably nothing more than a long man at this point, but that's another piece. I think if they can add a guy like Andrew Miller and another nice piece the pen will be fine. One of those big name SPs along with Noesi, who I'm ready to call a legit ML starter is the start of a serious rotation of Sale-FA-Q-Noesi-?. That ? turns into Rodon at some point, hopefully soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Given what relievers are getting on the open market, I want the Sox no where near Andrew Miller. He could easily command a $25-30 million contract, and given the fickle nature of bullpens, that seems like an absolutely terrible investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:05 AM) A good way to destroy an organization is to give out bad contracts just because you can. Ask the Phillies. Phillies have multiple huge contracts. Sox would have 1 and that's with Sale and Q locked up to extremely team friendly deals. Again, assuming they unload Danks, if the Sox add a guy at ~25M that would bring the payroll up to 53M pre arb. Speaking of arbitration, Sox really only have to pick up Nate Jones, who won't be expensive. If JR thinks this team can contend, which he should IMO, you don't think the payroll would be in the 90-100M range? Max/Cueto/Shields wouldn't even put them close to that. Edited July 30, 2014 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:13 AM) Phillies have multiple huge contracts. Sox would have 1 and that's with Sale and Q locked up to extremely team friendly deals. Again, assuming they unload Danks, if the Sox add a guy at ~25M that would bring the payroll up to 53M pre arb. Speaking of arbitration, Sox really only have to pick up Nate Jones, who won't be expensive. If JR thinks this team can contend, which he should IMO, you don't think the payroll would be in the 90-100M range? Max/Cueto/Shields wouldn't even put them close to that. No one should be payed 25 million on this team. That's crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) No one should be payed 25 million on this team. That's crazy. to get that ONE player whether it is a pitcher or positional player to put the team over the top, then yes. that is IF he can help to get the sox there. I was a major advocate of defending JR since this site started and before. I believe then and as I do now, JR will spend the money on good to great investment to an equally great rtn (playoff, world series and a great player). he did it with Jose A, he will not spend b/c fans expect him to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:23 AM) to get that ONE player whether it is a pitcher or positional player to put the team over the top, then yes. that is IF he can help to get the sox there. I was a major advocate of defending JR since this site started and before. I believe then and as I do now, JR will spend the money on good to great investment to an equally great rtn (playoff, world series and a great player). he did it with Jose A, he will not spend b/c fans expect him to. I dont think you need to pay a pitcher that much since we have legit #1 and #2 already in the fold. You dont pay a #3 pitcher that much money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:17 AM) No one should be payed 25 million on this team. That's crazy. I don't think anyone should make that much period, but it's a reality of the league.....Now let me go on record saying that I just think Scherzer or Cueto would be "fun" and I really think it'd fit in the payroll (assuming JR wants to go up to ~90M). I'm not necessarily saying they SHOULD go after them. Doesn't have to be one of those guys, but I do think they should go after a good RHSP and if he's attached to a 1st round pick, so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:30 PM) I dont think you need to pay a pitcher that much since we have legit #1 and #2 already in the fold. You dont pay a #3 pitcher that much money. I respect what you are saying, but I some what disagree. We have a #1 true and imho I am not sold on #2. I think the sox need to invest, if they can on a #1a. someone who can step in #1 if injury happens. something like philly did with lee and hamels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:30 AM) I dont think you need to pay a pitcher that much since we have legit #1 and #2 already in the fold. You dont pay a #3 pitcher that much money. FWIW, those #1 an #2 of ours are pretty much being paid like a #2 and a #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) FWIW, those #1 an #2 of ours are pretty much being paid like a #2 and a #3. Not even. Our top two starts are being paid like free agent #3/#4 type starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:40 AM) I respect what you are saying, but I some what disagree. We have a #1 true and imho I am not sold on #2. I think the sox need to invest, if they can on a #1a. someone who can step in #1 if injury happens. something like philly did with lee and hamels. How are you not sold on Quintana? What more can you possibly need to see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:52 AM) Not even. Our top two starts are being paid like free agent #3/#4 type starters. When Scott Feldman and Edwin Jackson are making more than Sale and Quintana, that should tell everyone that we have absolute steals. QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:54 AM) How are you not sold on Quintana? What more can you possibly need to see? Quintana has now proved he is one of the better pitchers in the AL. A 3.15 ERA with 0 run support all year basically. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) How are you not sold on Quintana? What more can you possibly need to see? don't get me wrong I like Quintana but I really don't see him as a bona fide #2. more like a #3 and he is more valuable to any team and I am extremely happy he is with the sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:57 AM) Quintana has now proved he is one of the better pitchers in the AL. A 3.15 ERA with 0 run support all year basically. Amazing. What has me more excited is the improvement of him overall as a pitcher. He's striking more out, keeping the control in check, keeping the ball on the ground, and even throwing harder. He's an absolute stud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:58 AM) don't get me wrong I like Quintana but I really don't see him as a bona fide #2. more like a #3 and he is more valuable to any team and I am extremely happy he is with the sox. Jose Quintana is closer to a #1 than a #3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 30, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) Jose Quintana is closer to a #1 than a #3. This is the current truth. And he seems to be hitting his stride just recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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