Anyone disappoint about the trade deadine.

[kitekrazy]

I thought some team would go for Danks and it would be a team you didn't expect.

 

It didn't bother me at all nothing happened. Salary dumps are boring. You may get a lousy minor league player out of it, like the Sox aren't short on those.

 

GMS see the same thing we do. We hope they see some mysterious upside if player we want gone. It rarely happens.

[Chicago White Sox]

Honestly, most of our "assets" will clear waivers or at least make it to a contender. Danks, Dunn, De Aza, & Beckham all should be movable in August if someone wants them. I think Viciedo is the one guy Hahn would consider moving that would likely get claimed by a non-contender. Doesn't seem like Hahn had any interest in moving Alexei.

[greg775]

Not totally. I feel like it's not in the cards to make a run this year either way. Here are guys I despise with my comments on them not getting moved.

• Dunn - I didn't expect anybody to take him, so how can I be mad? It's destined that he finish the string with the Sox. Will be interesting to see who replaces him at DH. I guess it'll be Viciedo, unless ...

• Viciedo - I believed the rumors and thought maybe Seattle would want him, or maybe even KC. Not thrilled about him going to KC cause you just know he'd feast on Sox pitching. s***, 19 games vs the Sox per season? He hits .450 vs. the Sox it could affect his career! You know he'd be just like Chen, Guthrie, valuable pretty much only because of his performance vs. the Sox. So we keep him and see if he can figure it out. ...

• Beckham - I believed the Frisco rumors and hoped Sox would get two minor leaguers for him. I don't think he'll be with the Sox next year, so whatever.

• DeAza - I figured nobody in their right minds would trade for him, so not disappointed.

• Relievers - I would have been happy had any one of those guys got traded, but again, there's no value out in the pen so no surprise.

 

Guys whom I don't despise and glad they are still here . ...

• Danks - I like Danks and am glad he's still a Sox. I really don't care about the payroll until it's so high that it actually matters dropping salary. Jerry can pay him just as fans pay all that money for beer and parking.

• Alexei - He's having such a good year. I'm thinking if the Sox ever hope to contend again, they need a ss at least as good as Lexi. Trading him now would have been buzzkill. It really would have hurt the team's chances of sticking close to .500 which will be a nice improvement over last year's 99 losses.

• Q - There's no reason to trade Q. Again, if Hahn isn't lying and he wants to contend without a total rebuild, Sox need the Big 3 lefties of Sale, Q and Danks with Rodon joining the rotation next year with hopefully a free agent righty joining the mix. Or trade Danks if you must and get a suitable righty for him, too.

 

GO SOX!

[RockRaines]

I thought some team would go for Danks and it would be a team you didn't expect.

 

It didn't bother me at all nothing happened. Salary dumps are boring. You may get a lousy minor league player out of it, like the Sox aren't short on those.

 

GMS see the same thing we do. We hope they see some mysterious upside if player we want gone. It rarely happens.

There was only one real team in on Danks and it didnt work out. Dunn will help someone in their playoff push, just need to hope for an injury somewhere. Gordon had a bit of interest for some teams like SF but really his value isnt all that great right now and personally I think he is more valuable to the white sox right now. I am hoping he puts in a second half push for value.

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

I'm pretty disappointed, but as long as we move 2-3 of these guys in August, it will be okay. But once Detroit got Price, I was ready to say f*** IT, and dump them all.

[hi8is]

Not disappointed at all. If you're not getting the offers you want - it's best just to hold pat. Another thing many people aren't thinking of is that this is only Hanh's second season as GM. Not making a deadline deal this year and holding true to his requests will go a long way in future trade talks with other teams.... he's established integrity.

 

We'll make waiver deals. No worries foolz.

[RockRaines]

Listen. May of us think this team could have a better record if not for injuries. To me this team is performing nicely and I think our rebuild is ending earlier than expected. That makes me happy

[BigHurt3515]

Listen. May of us think this team could have a better record if not for injuries. To me this team is performing nicely and I think our rebuild is ending earlier than expected. That makes me happy

 

I think we could perform better if we replace Beckham with one of our MI from AAA

[LDF]

Listen. May of us think this team could have a better record if not for injuries. To me this team is performing nicely and I think our rebuild is ending earlier than expected. That makes me happy

 

I can more than imagine at the surprise within the sox brass as how well the sox are doing. prob

even getting a little disappointed that they may not draft high again. however this success this yr,

I hope with bring the fans back to the park.

 

the future is really starting to look nice

[LDF]

I think we could perform better if we replace Beckham with one of our MI from AAA

 

well I was all for getting Alexei or Conor to bat #2 in the beginning of the yr and keep him there.

 

but then again, what the hell do I know

[BigHurt3515]

well I was all for getting Alexei or Conor to bat #2 in the beginning of the yr and keep him there.

 

but then again, what the hell do I know

 

Not sure what that has to do with replacing Beckham?

[LDF]

Not sure what that has to do with replacing Beckham?

 

Beckman was batting #2 after his rtn from injury then when his avg went up and when it

went down. I for my opinion, the sox should have had a better hitter at the #2 slot.

[caulfield12]

There was only one real team in on Danks and it didnt work out. Dunn will help someone in their playoff push, just need to hope for an injury somewhere. Gordon had a bit of interest for some teams like SF but really his value isnt all that great right now and personally I think he is more valuable to the white sox right now. I am hoping he puts in a second half push for value.

 

How does holding onto Beckham generate any value unless they're tendering him in the off-season, which almost everyone is completely opposed to?

 

Just banking on injuries that would make Danks and Beckham and maybe Viciedo/DeAza and Dunn more attractive in August?

 

We can all see Danks moving then...if a team loses a starter to TJ/UCL, but at some point you have to think more about the future and giving those 2B at-bats in September to SOMEONE:

 

Either Semien, Sanchez, Saladino or Micah Johnson.

 

During the game, it was interesting DJ and Farmer were talking up Leury Garcia as a trade/acquisition target. About how he can play many positions (made some excellent plays at 3rd), is the fastest runner on the team, etc.

 

Seems to me they're looking to put Semien in that utility role, keep Alexei at SS and then let Saladino/Sanchez/Micah Johnson fight it out for the starting 2B position. The main problem with that is pushing Micah Johnson 2-3 months ahead of schedule, basically the same thing that happened with Semien.

 

 

With Detroit holding Price through 2015, even losing Scherzer, they've got Price, Sanchez, Verlander and Porcello as their Top 4. The White Sox are probably better off targeting 2016...also because of the lack of matches with our areas of need in FA (LH power bats, #3 starters behind Shields but better than Masterson, there's a huge falloff to the 4/5 guys after you go through Scherzer/Lester/Shields....and catchers, since 12-15 teams can't all have Russell Martin).

 

 

[greg775]

How does holding onto Beckham generate any value unless they're tendering him in the off-season, which almost everyone is completely opposed to?

 

Just banking on injuries that would make Danks and Beckham and maybe Viciedo/DeAza and Dunn more attractive in August?

 

We can all see Danks moving then...if a team loses a starter to TJ/UCL, but at some point you have to think more about the future and giving those 2B at-bats in September to SOMEONE:

 

Either Semien, Sanchez, Saladino or Micah Johnson.

 

During the game, it was interesting DJ and Farmer were talking up Leury Garcia as a trade/acquisition target. About how he can play many positions (made some excellent plays at 3rd), is the fastest runner on the team, etc.

 

Seems to me they're looking to put Semien in that utility role, keep Alexei at SS and then let Saladino/Sanchez/Micah Johnson fight it out for the starting 2B position. The main problem with that is pushing Micah Johnson 2-3 months ahead of schedule, basically the same thing that happened with Semien.

 

 

With Detroit holding Price through 2015, even losing Scherzer, they've got Price, Sanchez, Verlander and Porcello as their Top 4. The White Sox are probably better off targeting 2016...also because of the lack of matches with our areas of need in FA (LH power bats, #3 starters behind Shields but better than Masterson, there's a huge falloff to the 4/5 guys after you go through Scherzer/Lester/Shields....and catchers, since 12-15 teams can't all have Russell Martin).

 

It's amazing how we have to concede next season to Detroit as it continues to win title after title. The Sox had a team everybody thought would dominate for years after 2005 and hasn't done s*** since. Sad. Detroit is so good we're having to concede next season as well.

 

[knightni]

kitecrazy, I am dissapoint.

[2nd_city_saint787]

It's amazing how we have to concede next season to Detroit as it continues to win title after title. The Sox had a team everybody thought would dominate for years after 2005 and hasn't done s*** since. Sad. Detroit is so good we're having to concede next season as well.

 

It's baseball, no one is conceding anything and if they are they're being foolish.

 

I'm not disappointed in the slightest bit. Making trades to make trades is foolish. Guys everyone are talking about trading probably don't net you a damn thing that helps.

 

I want this team to finish as well as possible, no wither away into the cellar.

[Dick Allen]

I think the Sox were given a tremendous advantage being put in the AL Central. They have advantages other teams do not. Hopefully, they can build a team like Cleveland did when they were in the playoffs all the time, or Minnesota did when they were constantly contending, or be in the position of Detroit where getting guys like Price is almost expected.

 

So, I'm not surprised they did nothing. Their inventory of players to trade isn't all that appealing. It wasn't like they were going to pick up some hot prospect or a quality major leaguer. I am dissappointed, because I wish they were in a position to make their team look unbeatable and have other teams' message boards have posts conceding not only this season but future seasons as well.

 

Hopefully, that will come soon. The free agent market doesn't look too spectacular this coming offseason. Hahn is going to have to pick the right cheapies.

Edited August 1, 2014 by Dick Allen

[The Ultimate Champion]

Danks contract still being here blows, but I can't fault Hahn/the Sox for giving it out when they did, nor can I fault them for not finding a taker. But it still blows anyway & I really hope we can dump him in the offfseason.

 

As for the rest of it, not getting a RHSP with upside to plug into Carroll's rotation slot really bugs me. We hvae all these IP to fill, the games don't matter, so get someone with some ability to put in there. Take a shot on someone with a chance. I thought Viciedo could get us that type of player potentially, but nope.

 

Lastly it's disappointing to see that massive mountain of dogs*** Adam Dunn still on this roster. I've been waiting for his dismissal for going on 4 years now. He's such a waste. Get this guy the f***l out of here already.

 

And Beckham, I don't hate Beckham, but he's terrible and the annual amount he's making this year is probably the largest annual payday he'll ever see in his career, and for good reason. Get this guy out of here. Like Dunn, you're not getting anything anyway, just dump his sorry ass.

Edited August 1, 2014 by The Ultimate Champion

[witesoxfan]

It could be worse - the Sox GM could be Ruben Amaro Jr. He made 0 trades yesterday when he could have realistically made like 4 or 5.

[Eminor3rd]

I'm disappointed that Hahn didn't pull some magical s*** out of a hat, but I'm not surprised at all. We didn't have anything good to sell except Alexei, and there aren't any contenders that need a SS.

 

If there's something to be disappointed about, it's that all of the guys that could have been good pieces had horrible seasons.

 

But it's not all bad -- we do have good players, after all, it's just that we've done a good job at locking them up contractually so that they AREN'T trade bait. I forget which podcast I was listening to, but the speaker was making an argument that it was a very weak buyer's market by listing the types of guys that were realistically available, team by team. When he got to the White Sox, he said, "You can have any White Sock (sic) you want -- except the good ones." And I think there's a lot of truth in that.

[fathom]

I'm disappointed that Hahn didn't pull some magical s*** out of a hat, but I'm not surprised at all. We didn't have anything good to sell except Alexei, and there aren't any contenders that need a SS.

 

If there's something to be disappointed about, it's that all of the guys that could have been good pieces had horrible seasons.

 

But it's not all bad -- we do have good players, after all, it's just that we've done a good job at locking them up contractually so that they AREN'T trade bait. I forget which podcast I was listening to, but the speaker was making an argument that it was a very weak buyer's market by listing the types of guys that were realistically available, team by team. When he got to the White Sox, he said, "You can have any White Sock (sic) you want -- except the good ones." And I think there's a lot of truth in that.

 

This is all that needs to be said. One thing Theo has had great success with the last few years is getting guys on short-term contracts that played great the first half of the year, and then he turned around and traded them for some strong packages. Unfortunately, Paulino/Downs/Belisario have been busts.

[caulfield12]

It could be worse - the Sox GM could be Ruben Amaro Jr. He made 0 trades yesterday when he could have realistically made like 4 or 5.

 

 

He should have traded Hamels (instead of asking for 3-5 prospects in return for someone who's already paid like Price), Byrd, Papelbon and Utley, along with Bastardo (RP).

 

Lee wasn't realistic, more like the Sox dumping Danks at the moment. Same with Howard and Rollins, fwiw.

 

 

[The Ultimate Champion]

I think that at least most of us should all be able to agree on the following, going forward from today through the rest of the season:

1) The season is over, it has been over, this is garbage time only, and any dreams of hotstreaks and 2nd wildcard spots are foolishness;

2) Because of the above, the focus needs to be entirely on 2015 and beyond ONLY;

3) Because of the above, we need to use the remaining schedule, the remaining PA and IP available, also the remaining defensive innings positionally, to "see what we have" i.e. answer as many questions as possible heading into the organizational meetings where we will really put forth an action plan for the offseason

 

Now given those 3 above points which by now we should really all agree on, I think this is what we need to do:

1) Still do everything possible to dump Danks (if we can, but probably not)

2) Open up playing time everywhere and anywhere possible for anyone we think has at least *some chance* of being part of our future, whether it is a more of longshot like a Carlos Sanchez or Andy Wilkins, or a pretty solid bet like Marcus Semien

3) Still do everything possible on the waiver wire and/or in small trades at the MiLB level - keep in mind that only players protected on the 40man need to pass through waivers, the same trade rules as before apply to prospects not on the 40 - to acquire at least 1-2 pieces worth throwing out there in late August & September

4) Realize that 2014 payroll costs are fully sunk, completely unrecoverable, a total waste of time, and that the 2015+ payroll situation is really what matters. So you are prepared to dump Dunn & Beckham at full salary, especially if another team somehow by some great miracle decides to offer you a longshot prospect/reclamation project that is actually worth trying out for a month plus.

 

So Hahn needs to get busy.

[Chisoxfn]

I thought some team would go for Danks and it would be a team you didn't expect.

 

It didn't bother me at all nothing happened. Salary dumps are boring. You may get a lousy minor league player out of it, like the Sox aren't short on those.

 

GMS see the same thing we do. We hope they see some mysterious upside if player we want gone. It rarely happens.

I'm not very surprised. We really didn't have anything all that attractive to offer other teams. Especially not when the top teams had top flight aces dangling out there. I expect a few waiver deals to happen but I really don't think the Sox are going to be rushed to do much anything. I'm sure they'd like to move Danks but as I've said all along, you probably are going to have a hard time moving him without paying him some money and I don't know if Hahn feels that is a worthwhile move. In terms of Dayan, I see no reason to dump him. We don't have some stud outfielder ready to come up so don't mind seeing if he flashes something (no harm).

 

Beckham is not the future and should be a back-up, opening up at bats for Semien.

[witesoxfan]

I think that at least most of us should all be able to agree on the following, going forward from today through the rest of the season:

1) The season is over, it has been over, this is garbage time only, and any dreams of hotstreaks and 2nd wildcard spots are foolishness;

2) Because of the above, the focus needs to be entirely on 2015 and beyond ONLY;

3) Because of the above, we need to use the remaining schedule, the remaining PA and IP available, also the remaining defensive innings positionally, to "see what we have" i.e. answer as many questions as possible heading into the organizational meetings where we will really put forth an action plan for the offseason

 

Now given those 3 above points which by now we should really all agree on, I think this is what we need to do:

1) Still do everything possible to dump Danks (if we can, but probably not)

2) Open up playing time everywhere and anywhere possible for anyone we think has at least *some chance* of being part of our future, whether it is a more of longshot like a Carlos Sanchez or Andy Wilkins, or a pretty solid bet like Marcus Semien

3) Still do everything possible on the waiver wire and/or in small trades at the MiLB level - keep in mind that only players protected on the 40man need to pass through waivers, the same trade rules as before apply to prospects not on the 40 - to acquire at least 1-2 pieces worth throwing out there in late August & September

4) Realize that 2014 payroll costs are fully sunk, completely unrecoverable, a total waste of time, and that the 2015+ payroll situation is really what matters. So you are prepared to dump Dunn & Beckham at full salary, especially if another team somehow by some great miracle decides to offer you a longshot prospect/reclamation project that is actually worth trying out for a month plus.

5) RESIGN ADAM DUNN TO 12 YEAR, $400 MILLION CONTRACT

 

So Hahn needs to get busy.

 

I fixed your list for you.