Jake Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 I don't like the "helps every day" argument. He does, but he rarely can win you the game. A pitcher requires relatively little assistance to directly and almost completely determine the outcome of a game. And he'll do it every time he pitches. A hitter bats 4 times a game and makes a handful of defensive plays. When he can do too much damage at the plate, they'll walk him. Whether Abreu is at bat when you need a run is a matter of luck. Whether the starting pitcher is pitching when you need to hold the lead is a matter of skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 06:45 PM) I don't like the "helps every day" argument. He does, but he rarely can win you the game. A pitcher requires relatively little assistance to directly and almost completely determine the outcome of a game. And he'll do it every time he pitches. A hitter bats 4 times a game and makes a handful of defensive plays. When he can do too much damage at the plate, they'll walk him. Whether Abreu is at bat when you need a run is a matter of luck. Whether the starting pitcher is pitching when you need to hold the lead is a matter of skill. An average hitter gets 10% of his team's PA throughout the season. While an average starting pitcher pitches 13-14% of his teams total innings. The amount of defensive responsibilities a position players has over a pitcher brings that % of impact a little closer. I'd still pick the position player given they frequency they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 In this run scoring environment, give me Jose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 QUOTE (Jake @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 05:44 PM) I would imagine there are more "good" starters, but the problem is the need for five of them. In this scenario you are only replacing Sale. Not the whole rotation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I chose the position player, but it hurt to do it. Bottom line is that Sale is a pitcher and because he is a pitcher he could blow up at literally any minute. That's the only reason to choose Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 07:18 PM) I chose the position player, but it hurt to do it. Bottom line is that Sale is a pitcher and because he is a pitcher he could blow up at literally any minute. That's the only reason to choose Abreu. I picked Abreu too for exactly the same reasons. Take the hitter because the pitcher is a bigger injury risk just by being a pitcher. Sale makes the choice harder by having a longer track record of stardom, but still, give me Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Both. because we already have both. And will have both for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 4, 2014 -> 04:39 PM) Chicks dig the long ball. I dig chicks. Therefore I dig Abreu. Nutshell. This is some kind of impeccable logic, and I support this post 100%. As, I am sure, would Sigmund Freud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I think it would be easier to find a hitter close to Abreu's level than a pitcher close to Sale's level. I vote Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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