Ferguson Riots

[Balta1701]

5 years into his policing career with probably countless incidents such as a "fleeing suspects" and this time the adrenaline made him spazz out? I cant buy that one.

There's a reason why police departments in south carolina have opposed body cameras. Because you're probably right and if things aren't filmed the guy would get off without charges.

[shipps]

To me in this instance it is going to be historical in forcing the police to change policies and processes in the case of using deadly force. In a time where there is extreme racial tensions in this country between the police/justice system and their treatment of black america with many recent instances of suspected foul play this circumstance shines such a bright light to it all that it cant be refuted. There is no way around this recording.

[Y2HH]

The officer must have felt "threatened" by a 50 year old man who just got taser'd and runs a 13 second 40.

 

That's 3 seconds better than your 40.

[NorthSideSox72]

5 years into his policing career with probably countless incidents such as a "fleeing suspects" and this time the adrenaline made him spazz out? I cant buy that one.

 

You can buy it or not, it happens. But again, I do NOT know if that is the case here or not. No idea.

 

There's a reason why police departments in south carolina have opposed body cameras. Because you're probably right and if things aren't filmed the guy would get off without charges.

 

This will eventually become the norm. States will end up requiring it, but probably only for departments of a certain size (the equipment is an expense). I know the Albuquerque PD, which has been all over the news the past couple years for bad shootings, now requires it for all their officers. But there was also a shooting there recently where the camera was off. So you need to not just have them, but create a system that will ensure they are on at all times, and have officers know pretty quickly if they fail to work.

 

[LDF]

You can buy it or not, it happens. But again, I do NOT know if that is the case here or not. No idea.

 

 

 

This will eventually become the norm. States will end up requiring it, but probably only for departments of a certain size (the equipment is an expense). I know the Albuquerque PD, which has been all over the news the past couple years for bad shootings, now requires it for all their officers. But there was also a shooting there recently where the camera was off. So you need to not just have them, but create a system that will ensure they are on at all times, and have officers know pretty quickly if they fail to work.

 

the one thing the state / city really hate, beside the bad press, is the wrong full death lawsuits. they will go for a no contest, settle out of court .... and the state / city will make things change rather quickly.... max out the money demands.

Edited April 8, 2015 by LDF

[Kyyle23]

i cant figure out why the guy ran. He was clearly running for his life before the cop started firing, its like he was told something bad was about to happen and panicked

[chw42]

i cant figure out why the guy ran. He was clearly running for his life before the cop started firing, its like he was told something bad was about to happen and panicked

 

He had outstanding warrants for child support.

[bmags]

the one thing the state / city

really hate, beside the bad press, is the wrong full death lawsuits. they will go for a no contest, settle out of court .... and the state / city will make things change rather quickly.... max out the money demands.

They can't hate them that much, they seem to prefer it over ever charging anyone.

[Kyyle23]

He had outstanding warrants for child support.

 

I hadnt read that. What a terrible reason to die

[Iwritecode]

I read about the child support thing. I also read that they can be jailed until the payments are caught up.

 

How is anyone supposed to catch up on payments while in jail?

[bmags]

I read about the child support thing. I also read that they can be jailed until the payments are caught up.

 

How is anyone supposed to catch up on payments while in jail?

 

I thought about that John Oliver segment too.

 

Obviously, shame on him for being a deadbeat dad. But, I would like to know how severe these fines are that may send people into a spiral of never being able to pay off these debts.

[chw42]

I read about the child support thing. I also read that they can be jailed until the payments are caught up.

 

How is anyone supposed to catch up on payments while in jail?

 

You don't want to be poor in this country. Because when you're poor, you have to resort to those payday loans or some other sketchy crap where they charge you crazy interest. It's just a cycle of debt you can't get out of.

[LDF]

They can't hate them that much, they seem to prefer it over ever charging anyone.

 

you are right, a rather tongue in check way of resolving this kind of stupidity. then the need a good, ruthless lawyer who will not only go after the entire PD, the city, the State and even going after them in a personal criminal and civil actions as well.

[LDF]

You don't want to be poor in this country. Because when you're poor, you have to resort to those payday loans or some other sketchy crap where they charge you crazy interest. It's just a cycle of debt you can't get out of.

 

ahh you mean the legal version of loan sharking.

[chw42]

ahh you mean the legal version of loan sharking.

 

The crazy thing is that the government does it. John Oliver had a segment on this the other week. They'll setup payment plans for those who can't pay their traffic violations. Then they have to pay a ton of interest for that payment plan. Thus paying a lot more than the amount of money they initially owed.

[LDF]

I thought about that John Oliver segment too.

 

Obviously, shame on him for being a deadbeat dad. But, I would like to know how severe these fines are that may send people into a spiral of never being able to pay off these debts.

 

then go after the bureau-cats individually and civilly for derelictions of duty, and all sorts of the legal mambo-jumbo BS that goes with that.

 

going after the money will force them to do things..... they will set a new standard, leaving a legal precedent where any old incidents and new can sue them..... money.... go after the money.

[shipps]

So my guess is the defense of this officer is going to be something that he says happened before the camera was recording. And they are going to try to bring down the character of the murdered man such as unpaid child support and every other arrest on his record that he may have.

[StrangeSox]

So my guess is the defense of this officer is going to be something that he says happened before the camera was recording. And they are going to try to bring down the character of the murdered man such as unpaid child support and every other arrest on his record that he may have.

The initial statements from Slager contained all of the classic hits:

 

"he was resisting arrest!"

"he was going for my weapon!"

"I feared for my life!"

[shipps]

The initial statements from Slager contained all of the classic hits:

 

"he was resisting arrest!"

"he was going for my weapon!"

"I feared for my life!"

 

This was before he knew there was a video of this out there, right?

[Chisoxfn]

5 years into his policing career with probably countless incidents such as a "fleeing suspects" and this time the adrenaline made him spazz out? I cant buy that one.

Might be personal issues or other things that pushed someone to the brink they weren't previously capable of. Never know, I'm sure everyone has had a bad day where they come home and were a bit down or angry. For me, I go play basketball and do something active, but if you didn't have that release and you were in a position where you cared a fire arm and were already upset or had a short fuse, who knows what people are capable of. I'm as non-violent as it gets but I wouldn't want to be a cop and be in situations where your adrenaline is already at high's depending on the situation you are in, let alone what else is going on from a personal perspective which can't always be turned off.

[Chisoxfn]

So my guess is the defense of this officer is going to be something that he says happened before the camera was recording. And they are going to try to bring down the character of the murdered man such as unpaid child support and every other arrest on his record that he may have.

Its one thing if he had a weapon or went for a weapon and than turned...totally another if he just said, oh crap, its the cops, and took off. You don't shoot someone for running. You can go tackle them or chase after them or tase them, but shoot, no way.

[Kyyle23]

it was the strangest thing to see him cuff the guy and tell him to put his hands behind his back. You know when he walked up to the guy he could see that he got him

[shipps]

Might be personal issues or other things that pushed someone to the brink they weren't previously capable of. Never know, I'm sure everyone has had a bad day where they come home and were a bit down or angry. For me, I go play basketball and do something active, but if you didn't have that release and you were in a position where you cared a fire arm and were already upset or had a short fuse, who knows what people are capable of. I'm as non-violent as it gets but I wouldn't want to be a cop and be in situations where your adrenaline is already at high's depending on the situation you are in, let alone what else is going on from a personal perspective which can't always be turned off.

 

That just isnt an excuse worth making for me. I have had moments when I was a teen that I ran from the cops because I panicked and thought they would arrest me for just being a teenager. Luckily they didnt even know I was running from them because I ran the second I seen them coming. LOL But if I ran and was shot by them because said cop had personal issues or a bad day? Oh hell no! I dont care about that.

 

If you are an officer and there is no moment that you feel your life is in imminent danger than there is no excuse to shoot someone. Period. Adrenaline, nerves, personal issues...thats all bulls***.

[StrangeSox]

This was before he knew there was a video of this out there, right?

yeah

[LDF]

Might be personal issues or other things that pushed someone to the brink they weren't previously capable of. Never know, I'm sure everyone has had a bad day where they come home and were a bit down or angry. For me, I go play basketball and do something active, but if you didn't have that release and you were in a position where you cared a fire arm and were already upset or had a short fuse, who knows what people are capable of. I'm as non-violent as it gets but I wouldn't want to be a cop and be in situations where your adrenaline is already at high's depending on the situation you are in, let alone what else is going on from a personal perspective which can't always be turned off.

 

as stupid as this sounds, the cops are not suppose to have those bad days. b/c they carry a gun with them at work and at all times.

 

cops are in a stressful job and kick in the huge adrenaline rush, that is a recipe for disaster.

 

the other part, if he was by himself then many factors can be considered. if he wasn't, he should have let another take of lead.

 

the 1 statement that is practice over and over is "i feared for my life". now it will be the lawyers to fight it out. the first and foremost question asked is, how much force was necessary to defend one self??? shooting the patrol man pistol 2 x 5x 8x..... now it has to be justified, for the key answer, over whelming force used.

Edited April 8, 2015 by LDF