glangon Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (The Wiz @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 07:24 AM) The logical decision would be to DFA Dunn to open up room for Garcia to DH and just focus on hitting for the final month and week of the season. Let De Aza and Viciedo play for the final month to see if they can get hot and build some trade value/a reason to hang on to them for next year. Or we could release Belisario, move Dunn to the pen and use Garcia as DH.... Dunn can't be any worse than Ronnie Bellend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (The Wiz @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 01:24 AM) The logical decision would be to DFA Dunn to open up room for Garcia to DH and just focus on hitting for the final month and week of the season. Let De Aza and Viciedo play for the final month to see if they can get hot and build some trade value/a reason to hang on to them for next year. This is not logical at all. Why would you DFA a guy who has actually been productive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:08 AM) This is not logical at all. Why would you DFA a guy who has actually been productive? Because the team is not competing for anything now and he's a free agent at the end of the year. And it's not like his production has been off the walls. If it was, some team would have traded for him by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (The Wiz @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) Because the team is not competing for anything now and he's a free agent at the end of the year. And it's not like his production has been off the walls. If it was, some team would have traded for him by now. Teams may be offering nothing and expecting the Sox to eat the salary. The Sox may say we will do one or the other, but not both. There is literally no point in DFA'ing Dunn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:58 AM) Teams may be offering nothing and expecting the Sox to eat the salary. The Sox may say we will do one or the other, but not both. There is literally no point in DFA'ing Dunn. Whats the point in letting him get AB's in September other than hoping for a miracle run winning 90% of the games from here on out? And if teams are offering nothing and expecting the Sox to eat salary, it's likely because Adam Dunn hasn't been as productive as you feel he has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (The Wiz @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 10:04 AM) Whats the point in letting him get AB's in September other than hoping for a miracle run winning 90% of the games from here on out? And if teams are offering nothing and expecting the Sox to eat salary, it's likely because Adam Dunn hasn't been as productive as you feel he has been. I am quite aware how productive Dunn has been. He's been one of the most productive DHs in the AL against RHP. He's just a platoon partner. He's worth a C prospect. Teams have not offered anything because they assume the Sox will want to get Dunn out (which I'm sure they do) and will do anything to get him out, accepting virtually nothing. It's a bad precedent to set. So you work from a leverage standpoint. Not just for this year, but for the future. If teams just assume you'll eat all the salary and accept nothing back in terms of prospects, you have already lost that battle. If you show teams that you are willing to follow through and continue playing these guys, then they will be more aware moving forward and will be more willing to accomodate to your needs. It's also a respectful thing to do to a veteran player. I think he'll be gone by the 31st either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 So how long until we get the first post about sending Garcia to AAA, and how they would rather have Jake Peavy back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) So how long until we get the first post about sending Garcia to AAA, and how they would rather have Jake Peavy back? Don't you mean Rios (Leury Garcia)? Or we're talking about Avisail, since he's already in AAA? You mean not bringing him back up? Peavy, after all, did beat the White Sox, although he hasn't beaten anyone else this season, so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) I am quite aware how productive Dunn has been. He's been one of the most productive DHs in the AL against RHP. He's just a platoon partner. He's worth a C prospect. Teams have not offered anything because they assume the Sox will want to get Dunn out (which I'm sure they do) and will do anything to get him out, accepting virtually nothing. It's a bad precedent to set. So you work from a leverage standpoint. Not just for this year, but for the future. If teams just assume you'll eat all the salary and accept nothing back in terms of prospects, you have already lost that battle. If you show teams that you are willing to follow through and continue playing these guys, then they will be more aware moving forward and will be more willing to accomodate to your needs. It's also a respectful thing to do to a veteran player. I think he'll be gone by the 31st either way. I disagree with you, I think if there were teams that really were interested in Dunn and wanted to get him, it would have been done by now. If some team felt Dunn would make them better for the stretch run, they would have given up Jeff Soptic by now to acquire him, not play a two month long game of chicken with Rick Hahn to see if they can get for free instead of practically for nothing. And there's nothing disrespectful about DFA'ing someone in this situation. MLB is a business, and I think Dunn, every fan, and every player could understand why Dunn could get DFA'd, whether you agree with it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 10:15 AM) So how long until we get the first post about sending Garcia to AAA, and how they would rather have Jake Peavy back? If the Sox had a guy like Peavy in the dugout with all his fire and passion, the bullpen would be too scared to blow as many leads as they have. Sox would probably be in playoff contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 10:47 AM) If the Sox had a guy like Peavy in the dugout with all his fire and passion, the bullpen would be too scared to blow as many leads as they have. Sox would probably be in playoff contention. This has been verified by science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 10:51 AM) This has been verified by science. And mythology... at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 They could you know just not carry one of their numerous s*** relievers for a week. That's the most likely scenario I can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 15, 2014 Author Share Posted August 15, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 09:47 AM) If the Sox had a guy like Peavy in the dugout with all his fire and passion, the bullpen would be too scared to blow as many leads as they have. Sox would probably be in playoff contention. Too bad he couldn't SCARE/INTIMIDATE the Detroit Tigers so easily. He was either winless or one and something his entire Sox career against them. I'll never forget that game where we were up 5-0 in 2012 and then it completely disintegrated in the middle innings (with the help of a bad reliever again). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Scot Gregor @scotgregor 4m Ventura says Avi Garcia could be back with #WhiteSox at some point on this homestand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Can't wait to watch him roll offspeed pitches back to the SS.... it'll be like the injury never happened! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Avisail isn't in the lineup today so maybe he'll be back up tomarrow?? Nvmd,just saw scheduled off day :/ Edited August 16, 2014 by Melissa1334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 15, 2014 -> 04:34 PM) Avisail isn't in the lineup today so maybe he'll be back up tomarrow?? Nvmd,just saw scheduled off day :/ Whitesox.com says he could be back as early as the weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 13, 2014 -> 07:32 AM) Someone will suffer from a mysterious ailment very soon. Viciedo left today's game with dizziness then his replacement Sierra taken out with a bad back. Edited August 16, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 16, 2014 -> 06:27 AM) Viciedo left today's game with dizziness then his replacement Noesi taken out with a bad back. You mean Sierra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 He's back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Sierra on 15 day DL, Garcia back up. Guerra on bereavement list, Surkamp back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 So where does avisail bat today, 2nd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Aug 16, 2014 -> 08:21 PM) So where does avisail bat today, 2nd? I would guess 5th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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