Balta1701 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 5, 2015 -> 01:58 PM) Where are you getting that i'm approving of this system, let alone "praising" it? I'm saying it's the better of two awful choices. That's it. "I was sexually harassed, complained, was labeled a witch and beheaded" = an improvement. I think I'm on pretty solid ground here. People are happy to type how awful beheading and other insanely terrible forms of death are, but oh sweet mother no I'm not giving up my gasoline because of it and how dare you ever consider asking me that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 5, 2015 -> 01:02 PM) "I was sexually harassed, complained, was labeled a witch and beheaded" = an improvement. I think I'm on pretty solid ground here. People are happy to type how awful beheading and other insanely terrible forms of death are, but oh sweet mother no I'm not giving up my gasoline because of it and how dare you ever consider asking me that. No, you're really not. It's ludicrous to think that you buying gasoline, which is a necessity in our culture, somehow validates what they do, or worse, SUPPORTS it. That's just insane. Again, you watch sports. Apparently you're a huge supporter of criminals. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 5, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) "I was sexually harassed, complained, was labeled a witch and beheaded" = an improvement. I think I'm on pretty solid ground here. People are happy to type how awful beheading and other insanely terrible forms of death are, but oh sweet mother no I'm not giving up my gasoline because of it and how dare you ever consider asking me that. As you are a Bills fan, I am completely appalled that you support OJ Simpson's actions. Spousal abuse and murder should not be tolerated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Feb 5, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) As you are a Bills fan, I am completely appalled that you support OJ Simpson's actions. Spousal abuse and murder should not be tolerated! As I said, beheading is horrible. But not as bad as Americans having to conserve gas. F*** that, behead all you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Jenks, nuance and context only matter when they can use it to defend a position they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Capital punishment is capital punishment. Each group has its own laws and ways of carrying out the sentence. Balta, the SA argument should would also apply to SA, (San Antonio) TX. We execute a fair number of people each year for crimes that we find serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Feb 6, 2015 -> 09:38 AM) Jenks, nuance and context only matter when they can use it to defend a position they like. lollerz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Tex @ Feb 8, 2015 -> 07:48 PM) Capital punishment is capital punishment. Each group has its own laws and ways of carrying out the sentence. Balta, the SA argument should would also apply to SA, (San Antonio) TX. We execute a fair number of people each year for crimes that we find serious. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...tates-geography Removed law. There was once a Texas law that prohibited the milking of another person's cow. The penalty: $10 In Texas, individuals or groups seeking to modify the weather must first contact a local newspaper. The requirement is part of the Texas Agriculture Code. Not a law. It's not against the law to shoot buffalo from the second floor of a hotel. This alleged law is included among a plethora of other "strange Texas laws" on several websites that explore the subject. Removed law. Before this law was revised in 1973, it was illegal to plant Johnson grass—a destructive weed that kills crops—on another person's property. In western Australia it is still a hanging offence to steal your neighbour's dog. Edited February 9, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 "Isis is terrible! They kill people in horrible ways". "They make their money from oil and so do our "friends", who also kill people in the same ways. Stop using oil and you stop funding them" "Well, I guess beheading people for witchcraft isn't all that bad. I mean look at Texas, they execute innocent people too!". At least we've all agreed to find the good side of beheadings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 01:32 PM) "Isis is terrible! They kill people in horrible ways". "They make their money from oil and so do our "friends", who also kill people in the same ways. Stop using oil and you stop funding them" "Well, I guess beheading people for witchcraft isn't all that bad. I mean look at Texas, they execute innocent people too!". At least we've all agreed to find the good side of beheadings, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 12:32 PM) "Isis is terrible! They kill people in horrible ways". "They make their money from oil and so do our "friends", who also kill people in the same ways. Stop using oil and you stop funding them" "Well, I guess beheading people for witchcraft isn't all that bad. I mean look at Texas, they execute innocent people too!". At least we've all agreed to find the good side of beheadings, The logic train has left the station with you on this issue. You may as well argue the Holocaust wasn't so bad because people die of preventable diseases too. Edited February 9, 2015 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The take away I get from Balta's posts are we tolerate the exact same behavior from our "friends" that we condemn our enemies for. We do have some level of hypocrisy on this level. I do believe we would have a greater moral platform if we didn't use capital punishment as a deterrent to acts we find deserving. We execute people people as well but we do it humanely (maybe) and for better reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (Tex @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 07:43 PM) The take away I get from Balta's posts are we tolerate the exact same behavior from our "friends" that we condemn our enemies for. We do have some level of hypocrisy on this level. I do believe we would have a greater moral platform if we didn't use capital punishment as a deterrent to acts we find deserving. We execute people people as well but we do it humanely (maybe) and for better reasons. Well, even that last part's debatable if you look at all the issues with Old Sparky in Florida. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/...ommon-practice/ Another thing to consider is the mutilation that all the victims of drone strikes suffer...and how it interferes with the traditional Muslim funeral rites. When you look at all the collateral damage, can we really consider ourselves to be standing on a moral high ground? Edited February 10, 2015 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Lethal injection can also be pretty brutal, but when it goes wrong and the person suffers tremendously during their execution, attitude of most Americans seems to be "Good! He deserved it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 07:46 AM) Lethal injection can also be pretty brutal, but when it goes wrong and the person suffers tremendously during their execution, attitude of most Americans seems to be "Good! He deserved it!" I think it depends on the severity of the crime. If you raped, tortured and murdered little kids, were caught red handed doing so, there is no torture harsh enough for that person to endure as far as I'm concerned. I don't care how inhumane it is, either. I hope they have to go through 500 botched lethal injections before they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Tex @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 07:43 PM) The take away I get from Balta's posts are we tolerate the exact same behavior from our "friends" that we condemn our enemies for. We do have some level of hypocrisy on this level. I do believe we would have a greater moral platform if we didn't use capital punishment as a deterrent to acts we find deserving. We execute people people as well but we do it humanely (maybe) and for better reasons. When SA kidnaps someone and beheads/lights them on fire and posts it on the internet, please let me know. Until then, they are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 9, 2015 -> 10:01 PM) Well, even that last part's debatable if you look at all the issues with Old Sparky in Florida. https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/...ommon-practice/ Another thing to consider is the mutilation that all the victims of drone strikes suffer...and how it interferes with the traditional Muslim funeral rites. When you look at all the collateral damage, can we really consider ourselves to be standing on a moral high ground? Yes, because at least our goal is admirable. Defense from attack and ridding evil from the world is a good thing. It's better than "kill anyone that doesn't believe what I believe." edit: and obviously the US has made mistakes in the past, and will surely make mistakes in the future. But overall we do what we think is best for us and the world. Edited February 10, 2015 by Jenksismybitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 10:46 AM) Yes, because at least our goal is admirable. Defense from attack and ridding evil from the world is a good thing. It's better than "kill anyone that doesn't believe what I believe." edit: and obviously the US has made mistakes in the past, and will surely make mistakes in the future. But overall we do what we think is best for us and the world. Except for our continued use of oil. We do that because it's addictive. It's horrible for us and the rest of the world, but hey, what's a couple beheaddings if it means we get our fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 10:33 AM) Except for our continued use of oil. We do that because it's addictive. It's horrible for us and the rest of the world, but hey, what's a couple beheaddings if it means we get our fix. Because we can just flip a switch and use that magical self-sufficient energy source that is only recoverable here in the US (and is environmentally friendly too!), right? In a perfect world I agree with you. In addition to their "justice" system, their cultures can be f***ed up. That part of the world treats women like it's 1000AD. I don't support it and wouldn't tolerate it. It'd be great if we could forget the middle east exists. But, you know, reality. I still can't believe you're a supporter of child and spousal abuse by being a fan of the NFL. That's terrible of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 12:35 PM) I still can't believe you're a supporter of child and spousal abuse by being a fan of the NFL. That's terrible of you. People have looked at the numbers and found that overall NFL players are charged with those crimes at a lower rate than the rest of society. That could be because the teams have their fixers who cover them up of course, but that's what the best numbers say and thus it leaves it on you to prove them wrong. However, the rate of beheadings done by Saudi Arabia is comparable to or even above the rate of beheadings done by Isis and significantly above the rate of that done by countries like say, almost anyone else. Similarly, their rate of funding for extremist groups including Al Qaeda is (or at least was) significantly above that of countries that are not Saudi Arabia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 11:42 AM) People have looked at the numbers and found that overall NFL players are charged with those crimes at a lower rate than the rest of society. That could be because the teams have their fixers who cover them up of course, but that's what the best numbers say and thus it leaves it on you to prove them wrong. However, the rate of beheadings done by Saudi Arabia is comparable to or even above the rate of beheadings done by Isis and significantly above the rate of that done by countries like say, almost anyone else. Similarly, their rate of funding for extremist groups including Al Qaeda is (or at least was) significantly above that of countries that are not Saudi Arabia. That has nothing to do with anything here. The NFL allows it to happen. It supports those players. You supporting the NFL, buying merchandise, viewing games, etc., means you support spousal abuse. That's no different than your claim that gas purchases=support of SA's capital punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 11:52 AM) That has nothing to do with anything here. The NFL allows it to happen. It supports those players. You supporting the NFL, buying merchandise, viewing games, etc., means you support spousal abuse. That's no different than your claim that gas purchases=support of SA's capital punishment. Winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 12:52 PM) That has nothing to do with anything here. The NFL allows it to happen. It supports those players. You supporting the NFL, buying merchandise, viewing games, etc., means you support spousal abuse. That's no different than your claim that gas purchases=support of SA's capital punishment. And Isis's too, don't forget that, all their money comes from oil too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 12:51 PM) And Isis's too, don't forget that, all their money comes from oil too. Because I like to drive does not mean I support ISIS. Because I own an NFL jersey does not mean I support spousal abuse. Because I own an NHL jersey does not mean I support tooth loss. And the world is not actually black and white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Feb 10, 2015 -> 01:53 PM) Because I like to drive does not mean I support ISIS. Because I own an NFL jersey does not mean I support spousal abuse. Because I own an NHL jersey does not mean I support tooth loss. And the world is not actually black and white. If we didn't buy NFL jerseys that would not stop spousal abuse. If the group that became Isis wasn't able to finance their war by selling oil, they wouldn't have made more than a whimper in Syria. If Saudi Arabia wasn't able to keep itself propped up by oil, they wouldn't be able to feed money to groups like Isis and have a trump card that prevents anyone from reforming them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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