2015 Offseason

[witesoxfan]

I have seen people suggest Corey Dickerson too.

 

2014

Home: .363/.415/.684/1.098 .467 wOBA 171 wRC+

Away: .252/.305/.431/.735 .319 wOBA 102 wRC+

 

Even seeing those, I'd be perfectly content moving guys for him because while I wouldn't expect him to put up a 171 wRC+ at USCF, I also wouldn't expect him to suddenly turn into the completely average, ordinary hitter he was away from Coors Field either.

 

The same, can be said of Carlos Gonzalez but it has to be at the right price. If the Rockies wouldn't take "halfway decent" for him, I wouldn't bother trying to acquire him.

 

[BlackSox13]

I have seen people suggest Corey Dickerson too.

 

2014

Home: .363/.415/.684/1.098 .467 wOBA 171 wRC+

Away: .252/.305/.431/.735 .319 wOBA 102 wRC+

 

Even seeing those, I'd be perfectly content moving guys for him because while I wouldn't expect him to put up a 171 wRC+ at USCF, I also wouldn't expect him to suddenly turn into the completely average, ordinary hitter he was away from Coors Field either.

 

The same, can be said of Carlos Gonzalez but it has to be at the right price. If the Rockies wouldn't take "halfway decent" for him, I wouldn't bother trying to acquire him.

As far as Rockies outfielders go, Dickerson makes a ton more sense and fits what Hahn has described.

 

What do you think the Rockies would ask for in return that the Sox would actually be willing to part with? Assuming the Rockies would be willing to trade Dickerson in the first place.

[GreenSox]

Danks, Flowers and Alexei for Puig might be closer.

That, too, would be an absolute steal.

[GreenSox]

How was Conor Gillaspie a better hitter than Pablo Sandoval this year?

 

CG: .282/.336/.416, 7 HR, 108 wRC+

PS: .279/.324/.415, 16 HR, 111 wRC+

 

They were remarkably similar offensively, actually, but Sandoval comes out a touch ahead. Even if you assume it's roughly the same, (1) Sandoval's longer track record suggests he's a better candidate to repeat, and (2) Sandoval is a way, WAY better defender.

 

I'm not saying we should get Sandoval, but he's unquestionably better than Gillaspie.

Huge difference in contract; we'd hae to give up a high draft choice.

No need to sign Sandoval

 

as for Gonzales, I'd take him for a salary dump giveaway, if they want to do that. But his salary is outrageous, he's injury prone and he had a particularly poor 2014. That's high risk - can't pay much for that.

Edited October 9, 2014 by GreenSox

[bmags]

I have seen people suggest Corey Dickerson too.

 

2014

Home: .363/.415/.684/1.098 .467 wOBA 171 wRC+

Away: .252/.305/.431/.735 .319 wOBA 102 wRC+

 

Even seeing those, I'd be perfectly content moving guys for him because while I wouldn't expect him to put up a 171 wRC+ at USCF, I also wouldn't expect him to suddenly turn into the completely average, ordinary hitter he was away from Coors Field either.

 

The same, can be said of Carlos Gonzalez but it has to be at the right price. If the Rockies wouldn't take "halfway decent" for him, I wouldn't bother trying to acquire him.

 

Yeah with the speculation I assumed we'd be getting him for not much. If it's a haul then probably not.

 

Sox are in a tough spot, a promising but not very deep farm, and a promising but not very deep major league team. We have a tremendous core but crap surrounding it like an artichoke.

[GGajewski18]

When does free agency begin and when are the winter meetings this year?

[flavum]

When does free agency begin and when are the winter meetings this year?

 

Free agency-generally filing was the first 10 days after the World Series, and then have it. That may have changed, and it's quicker.

 

Winter Meetings are in San Diego - Dec 8-11

[GGajewski18]

Free agency-generally filing was the first 10 days after the World Series, and then have it. That may have changed, and it's quicker.

 

Winter Meetings are in San Diego - Dec 8-11

 

Thank you.

[GreenSox]

A few Dodger trades have been suggested.

Here's a rundown of their situation.

 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-s...1009-story.html

[BlackSox13]

So Danks, Flowers, Alexei and a PTBN is what it will take!

 

Interesting read. I wonder if the Dodgers really are starting sour a bit on Puig. If they are I'm pretty sure Q is the guy they would be desiring in return...

 

Not Danks and Flowers.

[GreenSox]

So Danks, Flowers, Alexei and a PTBN is what it will take!

 

Interesting read. I wonder if the Dodgers really are starting sour a bit on Puig. If they are I'm pretty sure Q is the guy they would be desiring in return...

 

Not Danks and Flowers.

Don't discount the value Alexei would have to the Dodgers. They need a SS. He would fit perfectly there.

[BlackSox13]

Don't discount the value Alexei would have to the Dodgers. They need a SS. He would fit perfectly there.

Oh I'm not, I'm discounting the value of Danks and Flowers.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Puig is one of the few guys I'd trade Q for all day. I'd even throw in Anderson and Danish if I had to.

[BlackSox13]

My problem with trading Q is it literally forces the Sox to go after a FA starting pitcher to replace Q's production which is an idea that I'm not a fan of considering the ages of the best FA starters available. Q turns just 26 in Jan.

 

I would love to have Puig, but the Sox staff is not strong enough yet to deal a pitcher of Q's caliper, not even for Puig and surely not if Anderson and/or Danish names are involved. Just my opinion.

[beautox]

RE: CarGo -- because without those warts, he wouldn't be available at all. The high money is what limits his market, and our low payroll gives us a chance to play there -- to overpay on a contract like that using the equity that Sale/Quintana/Abreu's contracts have bought us and still end up breaking even from a team salary/production standpoint. His relatively young age and the nature of his injury history alos means he comes with considerable upside, if you assume a fully healthy year is a possibility. Given the Rockies change in leadership, a change in "direction" for them is more likely than ever, making it more likley that CarGo is on the block.

 

I'm not sure I'm ready to jump on the CarGo train necessarily, but there's a logical argument to be made, certainly.

Thank you.

 

The fact that he is due 54M if he is traded limits his market especially when you bring into account his age and health but as eminor also points out thats where all the upside is Again a change in leadership from O'Dowd being a stalwart in they won't trade Tulo or CarGo now stepping downs raises the idea that both could and more than likely will be on the block because Colorado needs to need to open up space in the outfield and money in their payroll .

 

As for the splits I really want to hear from sox fans on this board address how they would feel about Stanton or Rizzo on the south side based off their fears of splits.

 

Stanton:

Home - .282/.384/.558 - .942

Away - .259/.344/.522 - .866

 

Rizzo:

Home - .274/.369/.476 - .845

Away - .233/.320/.423 -.743

 

Gonzalez:

Home - .329/.387/.601 - .988

Away - .258/.314/.437 - .750

 

even with his drastic splits if you put them in a similar space as Rizzo that is still a huge get. The park factor difference between Colorado and Chicago is the best you could have in the league. Chicago being 125 and Colorado being 144. Going from the best hitters environment to the second best. For comparisons sake its like going from Miller park to Citizens Bank Park.

 

[BigHurt3515]

If you have a chance to get Puig you do it. Pairing him with Abreu and Alexei will help him I think

[BlackSox13]

Thank you.

 

The fact that he is due 54M if he is traded limits his market especially when you bring into account his age and health but as eminor also points out thats where all the upside is Again a change in leadership from O'Dowd being a stalwart in they won't trade Tulo or CarGo now stepping downs raises the idea that both could and more than likely will be on the block because Colorado needs to need to open up space in the outfield and money in their payroll .

 

As for the splits I really want to hear from sox fans on this board address how they would feel about Stanton or Rizzo on the south side based off their fears of splits.

 

Stanton:

Home - .282/.384/.558 - .942

Away - .259/.344/.522 - .866

 

Rizzo:

Home - .274/.369/.476 - .845

Away - .233/.320/.423 -.743

 

Gonzalez:

Home - .329/.387/.601 - .988

Away - .258/.314/.437 - .750

 

even with his drastic splits if you put them in a similar space as Rizzo that is still a huge get. The park factor difference between Colorado and Chicago is the best you could have in the league. Chicago being 125 and Colorado being 144. Going from the best hitters environment to the second best. For comparisons sake its like going from Miller park to Citizens Bank Park.

What scares me about CarGo's splits is, are they a sign of him trending downward? That's the $53M question. Then there's his injury history to boot.

 

With the start of the off season around the corner, there's no point in being so focused on an over paid injury prone player. There's going to be plenty of players for Hahn to look into when the off season officially starts. Patience.

[BaconOnAStick]

Abreu and Puig have beef from Cuba, something to keep in mind. They'd have to make amends before you could bring Puig in. I also would not trade Alexei, you'd need a glue guy like that to keep Puig from getting out of hand. Dat Cuban solidarity.

 

We don't match up well with the Dodgers though. The Sox have to be unilaterally opposed to the idea of moving Q or Sale; those two combined with Rodon is the real core of this team.

 

The Dodgers cannot honestly settle for a package headlined by John f***ing Danks. I'd trade him for nothing just to shed his contract. Micah's value has gone way up because the Royals have shown speed kills in the postseason, but dude can't field. Who else do the Sox throw in? Anderson? Can we really get Yasiel Puig for Danks, M Johnson and T Anderson? Oh my god, that doesn't even make sense.

[Dunt]

Puig is one of the few guys I'd trade Q for all day. I'd even throw in Anderson and Danish if I had to.

 

Good thing you're not the GM

[caulfield12]

Abreu and Puig have beef from Cuba, something to keep in mind. They'd have to make amends before you could bring Puig in. I also would not trade Alexei, you'd need a glue guy like that to keep Puig from getting out of hand. Dat Cuban solidarity.

 

We don't match up well with the Dodgers though. The Sox have to be unilaterally opposed to the idea of moving Q or Sale; those two combined with Rodon is the real core of this team.

 

The Dodgers cannot honestly settle for a package headlined by John f***ing Danks. I'd trade him for nothing just to shed his contract. Micah's value has gone way up because the Royals have shown speed kills in the postseason, but dude can't field. Who else do the Sox throw in? Anderson? Can we really get Yasiel Puig for Danks, M Johnson and T Anderson? Oh my god, that doesn't even make sense.

 

 

 

No, it would have to be Alexei Ramirez (to take Ramirez's spot), Quintana, maybe Flowers depending on the decision they make on AJ Ellis or they'd probably ask for two of Hawkins/Montas/Danish instead of Flowers.

 

We obviously wouldn't trade Anderson AND Ramirez together, unless it was clear Anderson was headed for either 2B or CF (think Chone Figgins with a bit less speed and more pop...kind of a mix/hybrid of him and Tony Phillips).

 

In no world that we live in would Danks be the target UNLESS we were giving him to the Dodgers and sending 20-40% of his salary along with.

Edited October 10, 2014 by caulfield12

[LDF]

Abreu and Puig have beef from Cuba, something to keep in mind. They'd have to make amends before you could bring Puig in. I also would not trade Alexei, you'd need a glue guy like that to keep Puig from getting out of hand. Dat Cuban solidarity.

 

We don't match up well with the Dodgers though. The Sox have to be unilaterally opposed to the idea of moving Q or Sale; those two combined with Rodon is the real core of this team.

 

The Dodgers cannot honestly settle for a package headlined by John f***ing Danks. I'd trade him for nothing just to shed his contract. Micah's value has gone way up because the Royals have shown speed kills in the postseason, but dude can't field. Who else do the Sox throw in? Anderson? Can we really get Yasiel Puig for Danks, M Johnson and T Anderson? Oh my god, that doesn't even make sense.

 

earlier in the preseason last yr, Jose A was happy to see Puig but it was Puig that seem to, for

lack of better words, let the game go to his head. it was also implied that Jose A didn't make any

effort to approach him during preseason. question, doesn't the dodger share the same complex

with the sox?

 

with Puig going superstar, there is no way I will trade for him. the other Cuban I always like is

iYoenis Cespedes. was there a discussion a couple of weeks ago that he didn't want to sign an

extension with Bos? I am wondering if he might be waiting to sign with chi. so why not fast

start that and see what will it take?

 

here is another thought, if the sox sign Tomas, how bout moving DV to dh then. unless the sox

can trade him. I know that is a heavy right hand hitting line up.

[Chicago White Sox]

Puig isn't happening, as he'd cost Quintana or the entire farm. Either way, our team won't be any better in the long-run.

 

CarGo makes some sense. People will highlight his home-away splits, but don't most Rockies' players have this issue? Larry Walker's career OPS was 177 points higher at home, Helton's was 166 points higher. Maybe I'm wrong, but I know I've read some theories on a hangover effect, implying most of these guys over-adjust to playing 81 games at Coors.

 

Either way, CarGo has signicant talent or at least did before he was injured. His contract reduces the talent it would cost to acquire him and if we could use him as part of a rotating DH, I think he'd make a ton of sense for us.

Edited October 10, 2014 by Chicago White Sox

[2nd_city_saint787]

Hypothetically speaking if they traded Q+ for Puig they can then sign Masterson for a year and go with Sale-Masterson-Rodon-Noesi-Danks with Bassitt starting until Rodon is ready and then taking over for DAnks should they trade him. Assuming they can get Masterson to revert back to good Masterson that's not a bad starting rotation.

 

I'm saying all that as a fan of Chris Bassitt and thinking he can no doubt be apart of the rotation, and I also believe Montas will be ready to step into the rotation in 2016.

[Balta1701]

Hypothetically speaking if they traded Q+ for Puig they can then sign Masterson for a year and go with Sale-Masterson-Rodon-Noesi-Danks with Bassitt starting until Rodon is ready and then taking over for DAnks should they trade him. Assuming they can get Masterson to revert back to good Masterson that's not a bad starting rotation.

 

I'm saying all that as a fan of Chris Bassitt and thinking he can no doubt be apart of the rotation, and I also believe Montas will be ready to step into the rotation in 2016.

Yeah, but if Masterson doesn't return to form, you miss the playoffs because your rotation is so weak.

 

If you're making such a huge move to upgrade your offense, do your really want to hang your playoff chances on Masterson and Danks being solid starting pitchers when both have lost similar amounts of velocity?

 

If you're doing a move like that, grabbing Puig...you sign a much better starting pitcher and tell the team they're making the playoffs this year.

[southsider2k5]

Masterson still has my interest as a potential turn around guy. I'd love to see a front office discussion that involves his medicals and Don Cooper on his mechanics.