2015 Offseason

[southsider2k5]

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 2h2 hours ago

 

More than 40 players will top the $16.445m Abreu-Sale-Quintana earn in '15. WhiteSox benefit from long-term deals. http://bit.ly/1s2K5hW

[NorthSideSox72]

There is a Tribune article saying Cooper is making a rare appearance at the AFL, as the Sox try to accelerate the progress of their younger pitchers to use as bullpen pieces.

 

The most interesting part was the quote from Bassit, who seems to WANT to be a reliever.

 

 

When we did a story with Bassit maybe a year ago as part of FutureSox, he had hinted that he preferred coming out of the pen, etc.

 

Yup, he told us that last year right here.

 

He prefers relief work, but he'll do what they tell him to of course.

 

[BlackSox13]

Bassitt as a reliever is quite intriguing. I'm guessing with him pitching out of the pen he could gain a mile an hour or two on the fastball that would end up 95-97 range. That with his tight slider and slow curve ball gives him the potential to be a deadly reliever and possibly closer.

 

I was really hoping for him as a starter but if he feels more comfortable as a reliever, great, the Sox need relievers.

[BlackSox13]

Yup, he told us that last year right here.

 

He prefers relief work, but he'll do what they tell him to of course.

That was a great read, thanks for posting it. With his repertoire, he has the potential to be a nasty closer. I'm even more excited about this kid.

[witesoxfan]

You always prefer guys starting over relieving. If and when the Sox have an abundance of starting pitching, and Bassitt proves incapable of starting, then he'll be moved to the pen.

[Dick Allen]

You always prefer guys starting over relieving. If and when the Sox have an abundance of starting pitching, and Bassitt proves incapable of starting, then he'll be moved to the pen.

The next time the White Sox have too many starters will be the first. I agree with the second point. If they don't think he can crack the rotation but could help relieving, I think he gets moved to the bullpen. His being so gung ho about it will probably eventually seal his fate, unless he just shows he is more than just a back end guy.

[witesoxfan]

The next time the White Sox have too many starters will be the first. I agree with the second point. If they don't think he can crack the rotation but could help relieving, I think he gets moved to the bullpen. His being so gung ho about it will probably eventually seal his fate, unless he just shows he is more than just a back end guy.

 

LOL, yeah, it was kind of made tongue in cheek. Basically if they have a full rotation and other guys capable of starting in the high minors (say a Montas, Danish, Jablowme, whoever) then they can move him to the bullpen.

[southsider2k5]

LOL, yeah, it was kind of made tongue in cheek. Basically if they have a full rotation and other guys capable of starting in the high minors (say a Montas, Danish, Jablowme, whoever) then they can move him to the bullpen.

 

My personal favorite prospect.

[Jake]

My personal favorite prospect.

 

Haywood is a real good kid.

[southsider2k5]

From everything I've seen and read Tomas ~ Viciedo.

 

So far the Sox are 2-for-3 in the Cuban department. Let's not bring down that GM WAR by making it 2-for-4.

 

For what we paid for Viciedo, we won that one too. $10 million over 4 years is nothing.

[witesoxfan]

For what we paid for Viciedo, we won that one too. $10 million over 4 years is nothing.

 

No, and he is an incredibly talented player, you can see that, it's just the failure of getting those results out of him on a consistent basis that has done him in.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

No, and he is an incredibly talented player, you can see that, it's just the failure of getting those results out of him on a consistent basis that has done him in.

 

2.8 WAR for his career with the Sox vs $12.6 million. Last I saw that $/WAR was rated about $5 million per win, so even by that, the Sox are ahead.

[LDF]

The next time the White Sox have too many starters will be the first. I agree with the second point. If they don't think he can crack the rotation but could help relieving, I think he gets moved to the bullpen. His being so gung ho about it will probably eventually seal his fate, unless he just shows he is more than just a back end guy.

 

I like the idea of Bassitt being able to start. if the worst case happens, an injury to a starter, Bassitt

can spot start until the pitcher gets better.

 

also sometime a pitcher is needed for a spot start. Bassitt can be that kind of pitcher.

[Chicago White Sox]

2.8 WAR for his career with the Sox vs $12.6 million. Last I saw that $/WAR was rated about $5 million per win, so even by that, the Sox are ahead.

No offense, but this is a horrible way to look at this. The fact is Viciedo has been a below average player for us over the course of his career. Just because we paid him slightly less than the open market rate for WAR doesn't negate the fact he provided us with below average production.

 

At the end of the day, wasting precious roster spots on below average players because they technically provided you with a small amount of surplus value is always going to be a losing proposition.

[Balta1701]

No offense, but this is a horrible way to look at this. The fact is Viciedo has been a below average player for us over the course of his career. Just because we paid him slightly less than the open market rate for WAR doesn't negate the fact he provided us with below average production.

 

At the end of the day, wasting precious roster spots on below average players because they technically provided you with a small amount of surplus value is always going to be a losing proposition.

a team with ~0 WAR wins what, ~55 games or so?

 

Viciedo fit well on a 60 win team!

[LDF]

I am not a stat guy so I might be really out of my element here.

 

let me start by saying that I am not a fan of DV since the 2 or 3 yr playing.

 

fast forward, today, I keep hearing how bad he is. well you are all correct,

however lets look at the 1 thing that is positive about him ..... it is his

power and 21 hrs this season.

 

a lot of players can not crack 15 let alone 20. he is what 25 yrs old. is he going to

get better, I don't think so. but lets look at a different way. is he the only one who

has 500 at bats, hit 15+ hrs and batting 230. NO, there are many.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/stats/players...ategory-batting

Edited October 11, 2014 by LDF

[LittleHurt05]

2.8 WAR for his career with the Sox vs $12.6 million. Last I saw that $/WAR was rated about $5 million per win, so even by that, the Sox are ahead.

 

I get what you are saying, but the Sox had much higher expectations for him. The deal wasn't a loss, but I have a hard time calling it a win given how disappointing he was overall.

[GreenSox]

You always prefer guys starting over relieving. If and when the Sox have an abundance of starting pitching, and Bassitt proves incapable of starting, then he'll be moved to the pen.

Bassitt has shown some real talent.

I'd like to see if guys like Carroll can do relief work. He's effective when he can throw it at the ankles.

 

Danish has that funky delivery - don't know if he holds up as a starter.

 

Of course just because they use Bassitt in the pen for a year or 2, doesn't mean he's confined there forever.

[Balta1701]

Bassitt has shown some real talent.

I'd like to see if guys like Carroll can do relief work. He's effective when he can throw it at the ankles.

 

Danish has that funky delivery - don't know if he holds up as a starter.

 

Of course just because they use Bassitt in the pen for a year or 2, doesn't mean he's confined there forever.

I think Carroll has absolutely earned himself a shot in the pen next year. He can get big league hitters out and he was actually quite good against them the first time through the order this year, so that's a decent fit for the pen.

[southsider2k5]

So what happened to all of the "value" guys when it comes to Viciedo?

[Balta1701]

So what happened to all of the "value" guys when it comes to Viciedo?

Not sure what this means?

[BlackSox13]

I am not a stat guy so I might be really out of my element here.

 

let me start by saying that I am not a fan of DV since the 2 or 3 yr playing.

 

fast forward, today, I keep hearing how bad he is. well you are all correct,

however lets look at the 1 thing that is positive about him ..... it is his

power and 21 hrs this season.

 

a lot of players can not crack 15 let alone 20. he is what 25 yrs old. is he going to

get better, I don't think so. but lets look at a different way. is he the only one who

has 500 at bats, hit 15+ hrs and batting 230. NO, there are many.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/stats/players...ategory-batting

I get what you're saying and I agree. I think his age, current power and his future power potential is why he still has decent value. He might be an odd case where another team may value him more than the Sox do.

 

I think DV is expendable because the Sox need better defense in the OF, a left handed power hitter behind Abreu in the lineup and a left handed DH. None of which DV can fulfill.

 

I'm not against keeping Tank but he would have to be the DH and that would kill the idea of having four starting outfielders and using the DH to keep some legs fresh. This would force the Sox to search for left handed power from at least one of if not both the LF and 3B positions.

 

I was thinking a little while ago about all the trade speculation between the Sox and Dodgers. Anyone think the Sox could have interest in Adrien Gonzalez? Just throwing it out there but the Dodgers ( if willing to trade him) could move Kemp to 1B and open a hole for Pederson. Not that I want to trade Alexei but he could be used in a trade for Gonzalez, unless they move Gordon to SS. Just trying to think outside the box is all.

Edited October 11, 2014 by StRoostifer

[bear_brian]

Under the shaky assumption that Uncle Jerry will accept a $95 M payroll, would like to see the Sox do the following:

 

1. Sign Melky Cabrera (a switch hitter) to be the every day left fielder and #2 hitter in the lineup. Figure 12.5M per year, tops.

 

2. Sign Gregerson to be our closer at $7M (or less) per year

 

3. Sign Kendry Morales (another Cuban and switcher, tho a Boras guy) to be a DH/1B and cleanup, hitting behind Abreu. He is a big bounce back candidate based on his previous hitting history.

 

4. Sign one of the following: Brandon McCarthy, Chris Young, Jason Hammel as a RH SP; put Bassitt in the bullpen.

 

5. Sign Andrew Miller as the LH relief pitcher. Surkamp becomes the second lefty.

 

6. Trade Viciedo

 

Figure these moves would cost us about $45M, but would absolutely allow us to contend. I know it's probably not going to happen, but each of these moves is doable if we were to be aggressive.

[southsider2k5]

Under the shaky assumption that Uncle Jerry will accept a $95 M payroll, would like to see the Sox do the following:

 

1. Sign Melky Cabrera (a switch hitter) to be the every day left fielder and #2 hitter in the lineup. Figure 12.5M per year, tops.

 

2. Sign Gregerson to be our closer at $7M (or less) per year

 

3. Sign Kendry Morales (another Cuban and switcher, tho a Boras guy) to be a DH/1B and cleanup, hitting behind Abreu. He is a big bounce back candidate based on his previous hitting history.

 

4. Sign one of the following: Brandon McCarthy, Chris Young, Jason Hammel as a RH SP; put Bassitt in the bullpen.

 

5. Sign Andrew Miller as the LH relief pitcher. Surkamp becomes the second lefty.

 

6. Trade Viciedo

 

Figure these moves would cost us about $45M, but would absolutely allow us to contend. I know it's probably not going to happen, but each of these moves is doable if we were to be aggressive.

 

All indications are that he is getting a $15 million qualifying offer from TOR, so his price probably starts there.

 

[max power]

I want nothing to do with melky cabrera and his medicine cabinet.