Masahiro Tanaka

[ptatc]

speaking of sale, do you remember when robin kept sale in the game,

early in the season. sale wounded up missing some time b/c of a sore

arm.

I don't think it had anything to do with keeping him in the game. Injuries and soreness happen when pitching. Sale has had similar experiences when only throwing 80 pitches in the previous game.

[LDF]

I don't think it had anything to do with keeping him in the game. Injuries and soreness happen when pitching. Sale has had similar experiences when only throwing 80 pitches in the previous game.

 

 

do you by any chance remember the pitching count? wasn't it over 120+ and so far

in the beginning of the season.

[ptatc]

do you by any chance remember the pitching count? wasn't it over 120+ and so far

in the beginning of the season.

It was 122 I think. I still don't think there is a correlation between the 2. 122 isn't that high and it was one time. If it happens repeatedly and it's a higher number then I would start to question it.

[LDF]

It was 122 I think. I still don't think there is a correlation between the 2. 122 isn't that high and it was one time.

If it happens repeatedly and it's a higher number then I would start to question it.

 

I will give you that. but if he is not use to it or if he didn't build up to it, is the point I am trying to

make.

 

just in a fleeting moment of craziness, you let a pitcher throw those extra pitches. is what I am comparing,

sale is a valuable piece of the sox future.

 

I would gladly be wrong, if someone can convince me otherwise.

[ptatc]

I will give you that. but if he is not use to it or if he didn't build up to it, is the point I am trying to

make.

 

just in a fleeting moment of craziness, you let a pitcher throw those extra pitches. is what I am comparing,

sale is a valuable piece of the sox future.

 

I would gladly be wrong, if someone can convince me otherwise.

There really isn't a right or wrong as there isn't a great deal of research on any of it.

 

My opinion is just that it was early in the season however throughout spring training and into the season he had built up to it. He's had times on the DL where he trew 80 pitches and it caused problems. He just has mechanics that are very difficult to repeat and is prone to having issues, albeit minor ones so far. Hopefully he is good enough at it that they remain minor problems.

[LDF]

There really isn't a right or wrong as there isn't a great deal of research on any of it.

 

My opinion is just that it was early in the season however throughout spring training and into the season he had built up to it. He's had times on the DL where he trew 80 pitches and it caused problems. He just has mechanics that are very difficult to repeat and is prone to having issues, albeit minor ones so far. Hopefully he is good enough at it that they remain minor problems.

 

hey that is kool. I really enjoyed this.

 

peace

[ptatc]

hey that is kool. I really enjoyed this.

 

peace

Me as well. Discussion is the only way to learn.

[LDF]

Me as well. Discussion is the only way to learn.

 

you say learn ...... I on the other hand will say, discussion is the only way to talk

sox baseball.

 

no one is right and everyone is wrong.

[TheBlackSox8]

Honestly...He officially pitched that amount, but do we add all the pre game and pre inning pitches to that total?

 

I think a good way to condition a pitcher is to have them continue throwing after they've exited the game. Not necessarily 100% but enough to build a bigger stamina/endurance.

[LDF]

Honestly...He officially pitched that amount, but do we add all the pre game and pre inning pitches to that total?

 

I think a good way to condition a pitcher is to have them continue throwing after they've exited the game. Not necessarily 100% but enough to build a bigger stamina/endurance.

 

I respect what you are saying, but I would let the professional continuing doing what they are doing.

[TheBlackSox8]

I respect what you are saying, but I would let the professional continuing doing what they are doing.

I agree...just my opinion on conditioning to getting higher pitch counts. I don't see a point in it other than strengthening an arm(but keeping same pitch count for games). Don't mean to keep a guy out there for 160+.

[ptatc]

Honestly...He officially pitched that amount, but do we add all the pre game and pre inning pitches to that total?

 

I think a good way to condition a pitcher is to have them continue throwing after they've exited the game. Not necessarily 100% but enough to build a bigger stamina/endurance.

You really don't want them throwing after the game because of all the fatigue and stress they've put on the arm. I do agree they need to throw more but it should be on the off days.

 

Physiologically, when the muscles are fatigued they will provide less support to the joint and put a greater stress on the ligaments. This is a good way to have a UCL sprain or tear.

Edited September 3, 2014 by ptatc

[southsider2k5]

Honestly...He officially pitched that amount, but do we add all the pre game and pre inning pitches to that total?

 

I think a good way to condition a pitcher is to have them continue throwing after they've exited the game. Not necessarily 100% but enough to build a bigger stamina/endurance.

 

The White Sox are known to track all of that stuff.

[LDF]

You really don't want them throwing after the game because of all the fatigue and stress they've put on the arm. I do agree they need to throw more but it should be on the off days.

 

Physiologically, when the muscles are fatigued they will provide less support to the joint and put a greater stress on the ligaments. This is a good way to have a UCL sprain or tear.

 

that is from the medial side. i understand what was being posted, but i

was not knowledgeable on the medical issues.

 

thanks

[LDF]

The White Sox are known to track all of that stuff.

 

really, i didn't know that. wow, whom ever suggested it, was really

thinking about the big pict.

 

[southsider2k5]

really, i didn't know that. wow, whom ever suggested it, was really

thinking about the big pict.

 

It was referred to specifically when Sale was in his first full year as a starter, the team (Coop specifically) talked about some of the other stuff they cut back on to give him more chances to pitch in real games.