Ray Rice Cut and Suspended Indefinitely

[whitesoxfan99]

Does the employer have the right to fire you without justification? I'm truly asking as I don't know. Right now Rice can say he had no legal action taken against him. Why should the business take action when the courts didn't

 

Again don't take this as I agree. I think he should have been prosecuted. But since he wasn't, I don't know the justification.

 

It depends on if you have a contract and what your contract says but most people are at-will employees and can be fired with or without cause by their employer.

Edited September 8, 2014 by whitesoxfan99

[ptatc]

It depends on if you have a contract and what your contract says but most people are at-will employees and can be fired with or without cause by their employer.

Ok. I see all the responses. I guess, I better start being nicer at work.

[southsider2k5]

Does the employer have the right to fire you without justification? I'm truly asking as I don't know. Right now Rice can say he had no legal action taken against him. Why should the business take action when the courts didn't

 

Again don't take this as I agree. I think he should have been prosecuted. But since he wasn't, I don't know the justification.

 

Employers don't need to have their employee go to court for anything in almost all cases to fire them. People have been fired for MUCH less.

[Soxbadger]

Employers don't need to have their employee go to court for anything in almost all cases to fire them. People have been fired for MUCH less.

 

Absolutely true.

 

But not many times do employers/employees sit down, come to an agreement about the punishment and then months later have the employer arbitrarily change their mind.

 

If the Ravens immediately cut him, itd be different.

[southsider2k5]

Absolutely true.

 

But not many times do employers/employees sit down, come to an agreement about the punishment and then months later have the employer arbitrarily change their mind.

 

If the Ravens immediately cut him, itd be different.

 

They cut him before the NFL suspended Rice indefinitely.

[Dick Allen]

He is such a blowhard

 

 

 

I keep hearing people making this point...do people just disregard the fact that she MARRIED the guy after this incident? Did he force her to do THAT too, under threats of another beating?

 

Come on...

It is not uncommon for women in abusive relationships to continue those relationships.

[iamshack]

It is not uncommon for women in abusive relationships to continue those relationships.

Understood.

 

So I suppose we shouldn't let them get married either, because he may have been forcing her against her will.

[Soxbadger]

Understood.

 

So I suppose we shouldn't let them get married either, because he may have been forcing her against her will.

 

Look Shack, when youre dealing with women, you cant let them make decisions. They arent capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, so its up to men to tell them whats right and wrong.

 

Clearly fans and the NFL understand the relationship of Rice and Palmer better than they do, so it makes perfect sense that the NFL and fans have to step in.

 

Especially because in the last months Rice and Palmer have had a lot of profile issues.

[iamshack]

Look Shack, when youre dealing with women, you cant let them make decisions. They arent capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, so its up to men to tell them whats right and wrong.

 

Clearly fans and the NFL understand the relationship of Rice and Palmer better than they do, so it makes perfect sense that the NFL and fans have to step in.

 

Especially because in the last months Rice and Palmer have had a lot of profile issues.

Obviously... all the men "riding in on their white horses" to save this woman are actually doing her more of a disservice by assuming she is not capable of making any of her own decisions.

[Dick Allen]

Understood.

 

So I suppose we shouldn't let them get married either, because he may have been forcing her against her will.

I sure hope you don't ever have a friend or a sister or daughter who is in an abusive relationship and refuses to get out. A close friend of mine has a daughter in one he beat the crap out of her and threw her out in below zero temps last winter. She had frostbite and a couple of fractures and she is back with him. At his trial she said she didn't remember him ever hitting her. My friend has one option it seems and that is one that would spend the rest of his life locked up. It isn't as simple as you make it.

[Soxbadger]

Obviously... all the men "riding in on their white horses" to save this woman are actually doing her more of a disservice by assuming she is not capable of making any of her own decisions.

 

I think its more the fauxrage of the last few days. I have no problem with people who in February said all of these things. I just find it interesting that most people didnt care for half a year, and now they are all outraged. This didnt just happen.

[cabiness42]

I think its more the fauxrage of the last few days. I have no problem with people who in February said all of these things. I just find it interesting that most people didnt care for half a year, and now they are all outraged. This didnt just happen.

 

I thought a 6-8 game suspension was appropriate in February and I still think that is what is appropriate.

 

[iamshack]

I sure hope you don't ever have a friend or a sister or daughter who is in an abusive relationship and refuses to get out. A close friend of mine has a daughter in one he beat the crap out of her and threw her out in below zero temps last winter. She had frostbite and a couple of fractures and she is back with him. At his trial she said she didn't remember him ever hitting her. My friend has one option it seems and that is one that would spend the rest of his life locked up. It isn't as simple as you make it.

No one is saying it is simple.

 

And no offense, but your friend's daughter has some other things going on besides just an evil boyfriend if she continues to date him. We can't question every decision a woman makes or action she takes because she was hit by the man she was with.

 

I know I'll get some grief for this, but I feel it needs to be said:

 

Some men and women that think they love eachother (and who am I to say if they truly do or not) treat each other very strangely. They fight, they say terrible things to one another, they physically abuse one another. Human behavior is sometimes very strange. Rightfully so, people become outraged when men are filling the role of abuser. However, there is much less outrage when women are the abusers. Disproportionately so. And does anyone even care when gay couples fight? When society as a whole starts trying to get in the middle of some of these strange relationships, it seems to backfire. Oftentimes, it doesn't seem to be for the benefit of anyone actually involved.

 

I'm all for protecting women in danger, and I am all for protecting men in danger. But sometimes, these people don't want protection, they don't want outside involvement, and if that is truly the case, than so be it. Continue at your own peril, for all I care.

 

[Buehrle>Wood]

I think its more the fauxrage of the last few days. I have no problem with people who in February said all of these things. I just find it interesting that most people didnt care for half a year, and now they are all outraged. This didnt just happen.

People did care then though and for months. This is the same case that made Goodell look incredibly weak and have to do something no one ever thought we'd see, publicly apologize. There was so much outrage that Ray Rice got two games that he had to create a whole new set of rules to prevent future situations like that arising.

[Dick Allen]

No one is saying it is simple.

 

And no offense, but your friend's daughter has some other things going on besides just an evil boyfriend if she continues to date him. We can't question every decision a woman makes or action she takes because she was hit by the man she was with.

 

I know I'll get some grief for this, but I feel it needs to be said:

 

Some men and women that think they love eachother (and who am I to say if they truly do or not) treat each other very strangely. They fight, they say terrible things to one another, they physically abuse one another. Human behavior is sometimes very strange. Rightfully so, people become outraged when men are filling the role of abuser. However, there is much less outrage when women are the abusers. Disproportionately so. And does anyone even care when gay couples fight? When society as a whole starts trying to get in the middle of some of these strange relationships, it seems to backfire. Oftentimes, it doesn't seem to be for the benefit of anyone actually involved.

 

I'm all for protecting women in danger, and I am all for protecting men in danger. But sometimes, these people don't want protection, they don't want outside involvement, and if that is truly the case, than so be it. Continue at your own peril, for all I care.

I would agree she probably has some other things going on if she is still with him, but isn't that also true with Rice's now wife? I don't know if you are married or anyone else here, but if we all show this video to our wives and ask them if we did this to them, would they marry us a month or so later, I guessing 0% say yes.

 

If Rice would have knocked me out in the elevator, he is probably doing time, and missing a lot of football and also paying me a lot of money.Maybe the punishment seems like they are trying to correct a wrong and went overboard, and it probably is. But he still is getting what he deserves.

[iamshack]

I would agree she probably has some other things going on if she is still with him, but isn't that also true with Rice's now wife? I don't know if you are married or anyone else here, but if we all show this video to our wives and ask them if we did this to them, would they marry us a month or so later, I guessing 0% say yes.

 

If Rice would have knocked me out in the elevator, he is probably doing time, and missing a lot of football and also paying me a lot of money.Maybe the punishment seems like they are trying to correct a wrong and went overboard, and it probably is. But he still is getting what he deserves.

I don't disagree in the slightest.

 

But she is still an adult and chose to marry him. I don't think we or the great Keith Olbermann should question every decision she makes within sight of Ray Rice as to whether it was under duress or threat.

[southsider2k5]

Look Shack, when youre dealing with women, you cant let them make decisions. They arent capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, so its up to men to tell them whats right and wrong.

 

Clearly fans and the NFL understand the relationship of Rice and Palmer better than they do, so it makes perfect sense that the NFL and fans have to step in.

 

Especially because in the last months Rice and Palmer have had a lot of profile issues.

 

Even in jest, the contempt you hold for the victims of abuse is just disgusting.

[southsider2k5]

I think its more the fauxrage of the last few days. I have no problem with people who in February said all of these things. I just find it interesting that most people didnt care for half a year, and now they are all outraged. This didnt just happen.

 

Who said that domestic abuse was OK in February? That is a strawman.

[southsider2k5]

No one is saying it is simple.

 

And no offense, but your friend's daughter has some other things going on besides just an evil boyfriend if she continues to date him. We can't question every decision a woman makes or action she takes because she was hit by the man she was with.

 

I know I'll get some grief for this, but I feel it needs to be said:

 

Some men and women that think they love eachother (and who am I to say if they truly do or not) treat each other very strangely. They fight, they say terrible things to one another, they physically abuse one another. Human behavior is sometimes very strange. Rightfully so, people become outraged when men are filling the role of abuser. However, there is much less outrage when women are the abusers. Disproportionately so. And does anyone even care when gay couples fight? When society as a whole starts trying to get in the middle of some of these strange relationships, it seems to backfire. Oftentimes, it doesn't seem to be for the benefit of anyone actually involved.

 

I'm all for protecting women in danger, and I am all for protecting men in danger. But sometimes, these people don't want protection, they don't want outside involvement, and if that is truly the case, than so be it. Continue at your own peril, for all I care.

 

Not to mention there are two massive distinctions that are being ignored to make light of this situation. The finance can do whatever the heck that she wants. If she wants to be with Rice, there is nothing that can stop her from doing so, well unless Rice actually succeeds in killing her one day, but that is a different story. The other thing is how the NFL as an employer handles the situation. One does not effect the other. How the NFL views the behavior of its employee, doesn't equate to how Rice's finance views him. The NFL is fully within its right to terminate its employees employment situation because of how its employee acted, whether the victim likes it or not.

 

You want to really protect a victim? Do everything you can to make an abuser think twice about beating on his significant other. If even one abuser stops and thinks that he could lose his job and millions of dollars if he throws a punch, this media storm has been a success. Hell even if one average Joe has the same second thoughts, this has been a success.

 

[Dick Allen]

Not to mention there are two massive distinctions that are being ignored to make light of this situation. The finance can do whatever the heck that she wants. If she wants to be with Rice, there is nothing that can stop her from doing so, well unless Rice actually succeeds in killing her one day, but that is a different story. The other thing is how the NFL as an employer handles the situation. One does not effect the other. How the NFL views the behavior of its employee, doesn't equate to how Rice's finance views him. The NFL is fully within its right to terminate its employees employment situation because of how its employee acted, whether the victim likes it or not.

 

You want to really protect a victim? Do everything you can to make an abuser think twice about beating on his significant other. If even one abuser stops and thinks that he could lose his job and millions of dollars if he throws a punch, this media storm has been a success. Hell even if one average Joe has the same second thoughts, this has been a success.

I agree with this, although I don't think the indefinite NFL suspension is relevant. TMZ gave Rice a lifetime suspension releasing this video. No NFL team will ever touch him IMO.

[iamshack]

Not to mention there are two massive distinctions that are being ignored to make light of this situation. The finance can do whatever the heck that she wants. If she wants to be with Rice, there is nothing that can stop her from doing so, well unless Rice actually succeeds in killing her one day, but that is a different story. The other thing is how the NFL as an employer handles the situation. One does not effect the other. How the NFL views the behavior of its employee, doesn't equate to how Rice's finance views him. The NFL is fully within its right to terminate its employees employment situation because of how its employee acted, whether the victim likes it or not.

 

You want to really protect a victim? Do everything you can to make an abuser think twice about beating on his significant other. If even one abuser stops and thinks that he could lose his job and millions of dollars if he throws a punch, this media storm has been a success. Hell even if one average Joe has the same second thoughts, this has been a success.

I agree, but I have a feeling some gold-digging women are going to attempt to extort some of these young idiots and make it even more difficult for the NFL to figure out what the hell is going on.

 

That's why it's not ideal for the NFL, or any employer, for that matter, to get involved in these matters.

[iamshack]

I agree with this, although I don't think the indefinite NFL suspension is relevant. TMZ gave Rice a lifetime suspension releasing this video. No NFL team will ever touch him IMO.

We'll see...apparently the Bucs have been considering signing Richie Incognito.

[Buehrle>Wood]

"When you wake up tomorrow, go to our website, and you will see what the NFL didn’t do," Levin said."I believe they turned a blind eye to it. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed, they knew the casino has surveillance video, and we will explain (on Tuesday) why we know they knew that — but they did. They didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

 

-tmz

 

 

 

Goodell will resign if true.

[iamshack]

"When you wake up tomorrow, go to our website, and you will see what the NFL didn’t do," Levin said."I believe they turned a blind eye to it. The NFL knew this surveillance video existed, they knew the casino has surveillance video, and we will explain (on Tuesday) why we know they knew that — but they did. They didn’t do anything to look at this video.”

 

-tmz

 

 

 

Goodell will resign if true.

Doubtful. That's not really anything we don't already know, is it?

[Buehrle>Wood]

Doubtful. That's not really anything we don't already know, is it?

It's speculation now