thxfrthmmrs Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 12:07 PM) Hannigan is better than Brantly. He's still a backup. I am using an analogy here. Trade made sense for both teams, Red Sox overpaid to fill a need, Padres got great value from the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) He's still a backup. I am using an analogy here. Trade made sense for both teams, Red Sox overpaid to fill a need, Padres got great value from the deal. I think Middlebrooks is garbage, so I think the Red Sox made a fine deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickJones81 Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) Anybody else feel like the Padres over the past couple days are a real life version of when you start a franchise mode in a video game and make a flurry of moves in one day to completely change your roster? Edited December 19, 2014 by QuickJones81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 12:31 PM) I think Middlebrooks is garbage, so I think the Red Sox made a fine deal. I think the Padres made out like bandits. The only upside in this trade is Middlebrooks. I'm not saying he'll reach it but I'd bet on him before I bet on Davidson, I'd tell you that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 (edited) The Marlins wanted Prado that bad? Wow, the White Sox could have had Eovaldi. Not sure how, but we could have topped that package from NY. Maybe not...I just wanted Eovaldi to round out our rotation. Edited December 19, 2014 by rowand's rowdies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 10:09 AM) Smith maybe a 4th outfielder option for the Sox? I thought about this too, but I don't think he's a very good fit. Lefty and can't play center. Great bat for the bench IMO, but not for the Sox who really need that righty bat instead to spell Gillaspie and LaRoche. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 03:28 PM) I think the Padres made out like bandits. The only upside in this trade is Middlebrooks. I'm not saying he'll reach it but I'd bet on him before I bet on Davidson, I'd tell you that much. Hanigan actually fills a hole for Boston and they had absolutely no use whatsoever for Middlebrooks. We'll say the Sox traded Dayan Viciedo to the Rays for Grant Balfour, would you say the Rays automatically win that trade because Viciedo represents the only upside in that deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) Hanigan actually fills a hole for Boston and they had absolutely no use whatsoever for Middlebrooks. We'll say the Sox traded Dayan Viciedo to the Rays for Grant Balfour, would you say the Rays automatically win that trade because Viciedo represents the only upside in that deal? Depends, Balfour actually has a chance to be a bonafide piece, depending on what the Sox internal scouting reports say on his down 2014 season. If he pitches like he did the 3 years prior, who cares, he fits into your immediate plans. In the case of the Red Sox, they are not getting an integral piece but are moving a guy with high upside at a much more premium position than Viciedo current plays. If I were to trade Viciedo, I'd want someone else's talent who might turn into our upside, a raw player who might have some upside, or a quality player who fills a more integral need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 07:04 AM) Peavy stays with the giants, 2/24M with a full NTC. Alrighty then Hard to believe it took a full 24 mill to secure the services of Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 19, 2014 Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) Depends, Balfour actually has a chance to be a bonafide piece, depending on what the Sox internal scouting reports say on his down 2014 season. If he pitches like he did the 3 years prior, who cares, he fits into your immediate plans. In the case of the Red Sox, they are not getting an integral piece but are moving a guy with high upside at a much more premium position than Viciedo current plays. If I were to trade Viciedo, I'd want someone else's talent who might turn into our upside, a raw player who might have some upside, or a quality player who fills a more integral need. What I'm suggesting is that Hanigan can be just as valuable as a piece like Balfour. In 264 plate appearances last year and 603.2 innings in the field, Hanigan was worth 1.2 WAR and he's regarded as a guy who is a very good defensive catcher who puts the bat on the ball and draws a bunch of walks. He's also been very strong against left handed pitching in his career, though last year was a bit of an outlier, with a .258/.377/.385 line and a 110 wRC+ in 439 plate appearances. I think Middlebrooks got quite overhyped based on his strong appearance and that he could easily be a bad baseball player. I should scale it back a bit and say that I understand why they made this move, but I really hope they have some sort of fall back plan because I do not have a lot of faith in Middlebrooks long-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 19, 2014 Author Share Posted December 19, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 04:22 PM) Hard to believe it took a full 24 mill to secure the services of Peavy. Contracts like that one are why a contract like Longoria is a bargain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Casey McGehee to the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 How does a guy like Hanigan, career .250 hitter with 25 HR's, have 38 IBB's in 550 games? I think that's one of the most astounding findings I came across in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 08:56 PM) How does a guy like Hanigan, career .250 hitter with 25 HR's, have 38 IBB's in 550 games? I think that's one of the most astounding findings I came across in a while. He was batting 8th in the NL ahead of the pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thxfrthmmrs Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 08:07 PM) He was batting 8th in the NL ahead of the pitcher. I need to watch more National League games... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 08:24 PM) I need to watch more National League games... I wouldn't if I were you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 06:16 PM) Casey McGehee to the Giants. Is he supposed to be the Sandoval replacement? Good lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Forgive my rant in advance. ... So Alex Rios signs with KC for 11 million dollars. Now since he gets to play the Sox 19 times (we know what ex Sox players do to the Sox as in kill them) he might produce a bit. But you've got to be kidding me? Alex Rios hasn't shown the baseball world how INVALUABLE he is by now? I tell you, baseball is one profession you can get paid and not have to produce. After the year he had last year he gets to pocket 11 more million?? And Kendrys Morales gets to pocket 8 million?? The list goes on. I tell you, we'd all be better off if baseball owners just paid these ballplayers pennies and let the customer go to the game for movie-like prices. 10-12 bucks a game. Sad that this elitist sport is run by people who get all that TV money and don't mind giving "players" like Alex Rios 11 million a year when he has PROVEN he's a mediocre to lousy ballplayer. My god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 11:41 PM) Forgive my rant in advance. ... So Alex Rios signs with KC for 11 million dollars. Now since he gets to play the Sox 19 times (we know what ex Sox players do to the Sox as in kill them) he might produce a bit. But you've got to be kidding me? Alex Rios hasn't shown the baseball world how INVALUABLE he is by now? I tell you, baseball is one profession you can get paid and not have to produce. After the year he had last year he gets to pocket 11 more million?? And Kendrys Morales gets to pocket 8 million?? The list goes on. I tell you, we'd all be better off if baseball owners just paid these ballplayers pennies and let the customer go to the game for movie-like prices. 10-12 bucks a game. Sad that this elitist sport is run by people who get all that TV money and don't mind giving "players" like Alex Rios 11 million a year when he has PROVEN he's a mediocre to lousy ballplayer. My god. Tell me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 Bernie Pleskoff @BerniePleskoff 5m5 minutes ago The #Indians have signed lefty reliever Scott Downs to a Minor League contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 20, 2014 -> 12:02 PM) Bernie Pleskoff @BerniePleskoff 5m5 minutes ago The #Indians have signed lefty reliever Scott Downs to a Minor League contract. 3 AL Central teams down, 2 to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 19, 2014 -> 11:41 PM) Forgive my rant in advance. ... So Alex Rios signs with KC for 11 million dollars. Now since he gets to play the Sox 19 times (we know what ex Sox players do to the Sox as in kill them) he might produce a bit. But you've got to be kidding me? Alex Rios hasn't shown the baseball world how INVALUABLE he is by now? I tell you, baseball is one profession you can get paid and not have to produce. After the year he had last year he gets to pocket 11 more million?? And Kendrys Morales gets to pocket 8 million?? The list goes on. I tell you, we'd all be better off if baseball owners just paid these ballplayers pennies and let the customer go to the game for movie-like prices. 10-12 bucks a game. Sad that this elitist sport is run by people who get all that TV money and don't mind giving "players" like Alex Rios 11 million a year when he has PROVEN he's a mediocre to lousy ballplayer. My god. you're just figuring this out. It's not an elitist sport, it's a good way to make alot of money. They only spend the money because they know they can make the money. Just like to movies you mention. There is a reason some actors gets 20 million for 6 months worth of work. They producers know they will make the money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 22, 2014 Share Posted December 22, 2014 Phil Hughes. 3 years, 42 million extention. Still crazy to look at some of his numbers last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 22, 2014 Author Share Posted December 22, 2014 This puts some perspective on how good the Q and Sale deals actually are. Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 44m44 minutes ago With today's news of a Phil Hughes extension, #Twins have $150M committed to Hughes/Nolasco/E-Santana through the 2019 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 There is 0% chance Nolasco is a Twin in 2019. Or 2018. I bet he gets traded before Aug 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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