Finding a LH/Switch hitting OFer

[2nd_city_saint787]

In 2015, not a chance, (Mind you that I have Rodon being anointed a starter after the break.) but going forward yes. 2015 is going to be another and hopefully the last rebuilding year for the Sox. There are still a lot of holes and question marks going forward and the team needs to acquire assets if they hope to be a serious contender going forward. Quintana is a highly valuable commodity and he would bet the Sox a serious return of prospects as teams are going to overpay for a LHP, who is under 30, a quality start machine and is signed to a very team friendly contract. Having Quintana on the team is good for 2015, but what about the future going forward?

 

You realize he's signed through 2020 right? Even if next year is still a "Rebuilding year" the Sox still have him under control for 5 years after. Those 5 years are also his age 27-31 years which should be his "prime" years.

 

I'm not even sure I'd do it for Urias and Pederson/Seagar....I'd probably have to get 1 more good piece back, like a Paco Rodriguez.

[BlackSox13]

while I agree with you, I hope to make this minor change. on the sox, Jose is a #2 pitcher and depending

on Rodon in the future maybe a #3. on another team, in most teams pen, he is a solid #2 and / or a

weak #1.

 

 

A very good case can be made that Quintana is a #1.

I think you guys are right. Perhaps I'm underestimating Q a bit. I looked around the league real quick and on most teams Q would slot at #2 and even #1 on few others. Heck, Buehrle was the Sox #1 for some years and Q's K's and ERA are better than Buehrle's were at age 25.

 

In order for Q to be traded, the return would have to out weight Q's value to the Sox and future Sox teams.

 

I think some people need to remember that Hahn put Q on the no trade list last winter with Avi, Sale and Abreu for good reason.

 

One more thing. The Sox do not need to explore a trade for Q, other teams explore trades for guys like Q.

[shysocks]

I said this the last time trading Quintana was brought up and I'll repeat it: It is a ridiculous notion. If one of the prospects we got back becomes as useful as Q, we'll have gotten lucky. But Q is already here and he's got a great contract. So why dial back the team's contention clock? It's pointless.

[Y2Jimmy0]

I think you guys are right. Perhaps I'm underestimating Q a bit. I looked around the league real quick and on most teams Q would slot at #2 and even #1 on few others. Heck, Buehrle was the Sox #1 for some years and Q's K's and ERA are better than Buehrle's were at age 25.

 

In order for Q to be traded, the return would have to out weight Q's value to the Sox and future Sox teams.

 

I think some people need to remember that Hahn put Q on the no trade list last winter with Avi, Sale and Abreu for good reason.

 

One more thing. The Sox do not need to explore a trade for Q, other teams explore trades for guys like Q.

 

 

This is correct. Quintana is a stud and he will be the White Sox #3 starter a year from now. The White Sox will have 2 aces at the top in Sale and Rodon. Slide Quintana in behind and it's one of the best rotations in baseball. If Q were to be traded, he would bring back quite the return. Using Pittsburgh as a trade partner it'd be Alen Hanson and Josh Bell as the starting point. With that contract, Q is a very valuable piece.

[2nd_city_saint787]

Also worth throwing out there, if it hasn't been already, Q ranks 9th among pitchers in the whole league in WAR. That almost feels a little silly to me, but it's true.

 

He's nearly 2 whole points ahead of Shields who is probably about to get paid 3x as much as Q is being paid.

 

 

[Rowand44]

Also worth throwing out there, if it hasn't been already, Q ranks 9th among pitchers in the whole league in WAR. That almost feels a little silly to me, but it's true.

 

He's nearly 2 whole points ahead of Shields who is probably about to get paid 3x as much as Q is being paid.

Yup. A big reason why a lot of us think it makes 0 sense to trade him especially with our lack of starting pitching depth.

[LDF]

This is correct. Quintana is a stud and he will be the White Sox #3 starter a year from now. The White Sox will have 2 aces at the top in Sale and Rodon. Slide Quintana in behind and it's one of the best rotations in baseball. If Q were to be traded, he would bring back quite the return. Using Pittsburgh as a trade partner it'd be Alen Hanson and Josh Bell as the starting point. With that contract, Q is a very valuable piece.

 

I would like you to know that I agree with you.

 

I would also like to add, the sox may have a solid to a very solid 3 sp's.

add to that, the sox acquiring what is necessary to fix the holes the lineup

has. they may shake a few teams in the playoff. look at the team who said

they may go with a 3 man rotation. I am not in favor of trading Q.

 

I am a huge fan of trading to rebuild, but dang the sox are reallllllly close

with the addition of a few smart moves.

 

maybe some may thinking I am in my dream pipe state. I wish, but look at

the team honestly.

 

[Boopa1219]

Also worth throwing out there, if it hasn't been already, Q ranks 9th among pitchers in the whole league in WAR. That almost feels a little silly to me, but it's true.

 

He's nearly 2 whole points ahead of Shields who is probably about to get paid 3x as much as Q is being paid.

 

Where did you get that from?

[2nd_city_saint787]

Where did you get that from?

 

Fangraphs.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=19,d

 

 

I really have no clue how they calculate this stuff, and I do think #9 is a little crazy, but it happened....

[southsider2k5]

Fangraphs.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&sort=19,d

 

 

I really have no clue how they calculate this stuff, and I do think #9 is a little crazy, but it happened....

Who is that dude right ahead of him at #8?

[2nd_city_saint787]

Who is that dude right ahead of him at #8?

 

Some stroke named Chris Sale. That further puts a black mark on this whole WAR thing cause that guy blows.

[Rowand44]

Who is that dude right ahead of him at #8?

They're 1 and 2 in my heart and that's all that matters.

[oldsox]

Baez doesn't suck but if he were the primary return in a package of prospects, I'd be quite scared.

 

Either way, the Sox aren't going to trade Quintana. His asking price will be slightly lower than that of Chris Sale but still insanely high and way too much for any team to muster. If they really offered enough to trade Quintana, then the Sox are getting either 3 extremely good prospects - the Cubs are easy to relate to, so we'll say Bryant, Edwards, and Baez - or they're getting a great major leaguer plus a prospect in return.

 

Frankly, I'm not sure I'd even trade Quintana straight up for Giancarlo Stanton right now.

Because of his injury, or on general principles?

[thxfrthmmrs]

Probably the enormous paycheck he's going to get.

 

But I would roll the dice just because Stanton will put more people in the seats.

[BlackSox13]

Probably the enormous paycheck he's going to get.

 

But I would roll the dice just because Stanton will put more people in the seats.

Problem is that it would only help for two years and then Stanton is gone. Just my guesstimate but Stanton likely gets 250M+ when he gets his contract. I just cannot see the Sox paying that much or more for any player.

 

 

[caulfield12]

Other than Phillips (who did his damage for Cincy, not CLE)/Sizemore/Lee for Colon and the Rangers/Texeira deal to the Braves, how often have these 2-3 "top" prospects for an established All-Star level or slightly below player worked out well for the team acquiring the prospects?

 

I guess Bonser/Liriano/Joe Nathan for AJ would rank up there as well, especially the first 2-3 years of that trade for Minny.

 

Getting Escobar, Cain, Odorizzi (used as part of the Myers deal to acquire Shields, who's been Greinke-Lite) and J.Jeffress (who was another fireballing reliever they gave up on and sent to the Blue Jays for cash)...that's another example where the team getting prospects back did pretty well.

Edited October 9, 2014 by caulfield12

[caulfield12]

Probably the enormous paycheck he's going to get.

 

But I would roll the dice just because Stanton will put more people in the seats.

 

 

That was the same theory behind signing Albert Belle.

 

Long-term, to give up that much talent for a rental they're not capable of keeping in the fold doesn't make sound business sense.

 

 

If they want to take a marketing risk, they should roll the dice and bring in another Japanese pitcher.

[witesoxfan]

Because of his injury, or on general principles?

 

Fiscally. You are getting 2 years out of Stanton at a minimum while you have Quintana under control for the next 6 seasons.

 

Stanton is a superior baseball player, but over that same time frame, he'll also be somewhere around 3x more expensive.

[thxfrthmmrs]

Other than Phillips (who did his damage for Cincy, not CLE)/Sizemore/Lee for Colon and the Rangers/Texeira deal to the Braves, how often have these 2-3 "top" prospects for an established All-Star level or slightly below player worked out well for the team acquiring the prospects?

 

I guess Bonser/Liriano/Joe Nathan for AJ would rank up there as well, especially the first 2-3 years of that trade for Minny.

 

Getting Escobar, Cain, Odorizzi (used as part of the Myers deal to acquire Shields, who's been Greinke-Lite) and J.Jeffress (who was another fireballing reliever they gave up on and sent to the Blue Jays for cash)...that's another example where the team getting prospects back did pretty well.

 

It's usually not the case, but it happens more often than you think. Right on top of my head, the Haren trade, Teixeira to Braves trade, Padres trading Adam Eaton (pitcher) for A Gon and Chris Young. Dating back further. Sox traded Sosa + for no one, and Mariners traded Varitek and Lowe to Red Sox for Slocumb.

 

Even the Peavy trade could work out handsomely for us if Montas can stick as a starter and Rondon could just be a defensive utility guy in the majors.

[caulfield12]

It's usually not the case, but it happens more often than you think. Right on top of my head, the Haren trade, Teixeira to Braves trade, Padres trading Adam Eaton (pitcher) for A Gon and Chris Young. Dating back further. Sox traded Sosa + for no one, and Mariners traded Varitek and Lowe to Red Sox for Slocumb.

 

Even the Peavy trade could work out handsomely for us if Montas can stick as a starter and Rondon could just be a defensive utility guy in the majors.

 

 

No one meaning former AL MVP George Bell or Alvarez/Sosa/Fletcher for Baines?

[shago]

Ichiro

[thxfrthmmrs]

No one meaning former AL MVP George Bell or Alvarez/Sosa/Fletcher for Baines?

 

No point of arguing here. Would you say we made amazing acquisitions by picking up the ghosts of Manny Ramirez or Ken Griffey Jr.? Bell's OPS with Sox was in the .650's and was out of baseball in 2 years. Sammy was one of the most feared Juicers for 10+ years. Point still stands.

[LDF]

when sosa was traded from the sox, he was not the build he had when

he started to hit all those hrs.

 

so he knew the right ..... ummm .... vitamins, proper workout and proper

dietary menu to help him become what he became.

Edited October 11, 2014 by LDF

[GreenSox]

Other than Phillips (who did his damage for Cincy, not CLE)/Sizemore/Lee for Colon and the Rangers/Texeira deal to the Braves, how often have these 2-3 "top" prospects for an established All-Star level or slightly below player worked out well for the team acquiring the prospects?

 

I guess Bonser/Liriano/Joe Nathan for AJ would rank up there as well, especially the first 2-3 years of that trade for Minny.

 

Getting Escobar, Cain, Odorizzi (used as part of the Myers deal to acquire Shields, who's been Greinke-Lite) and J.Jeffress (who was another fireballing reliever they gave up on and sent to the Blue Jays for cash)...that's another example where the team getting prospects back did pretty well.

Gio for Swishwer

Marlins got Ramirez and Sanchez for Beckett

Gio and Floyd for Garcia

Rizzo for Adrian Gonzales

That Royals trade with the Brewers for Grienke was incredibly lucrative

[GreenSox]

Adam Jones and Tillman for Erik Bedard

There you go.

 

So Law says that with Montas quickly emerging into a front-line starter prospect, the Sox will have 4 in the top 100 (Montas plus presumably Anderson, Rodon and ?).

 

So that brings up a good question - do we move Quintana or [gasp] Sale to bring in some top flight positional talent?

Edited October 11, 2014 by GreenSox