Kyyle23 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:14 PM) When is the last time a player got hit and immediately ran to the pitcher to fight? Never happens anymore. Carlos Quentin rushed Greinke pretty quick last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) Carlos Quentin rushed Greinke pretty quick last year Good call. It's so rare now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Felix has to throw about 19 shutout innings in his final start to beat Sale's ERA. So even though Sale will lose the Cy Young award because of his DL stint, he will at least win the ERA title and probably finish top 5 in voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:01 PM) Miquel Cabrera, MVP each of the last 2 years, generally regarded as the best hitter in baseball, has 17 fewer intention passes than a guy you don't want the White Sox to have any part of. 27 times Victor Martinez didn't get to hit because JD Martinez was protecting him. 10 times, Miquel Cabrera didn't get to hit. Assuming Victor was in the line up each of those 10 times, it is a significant difference. As I stated, Victor has a far better reputation and total resume than JD. Do you really truly think if Cabrera and Victor were flip flopped, Victor would still have 27 IBB if the next guy up was Miquel Cabrera? Your argument only makes sense if you assume teams are actually scared off by name value only, and not by actual performance. I give the teams more credit than that. Victor Martinez has been the best hitter on that team, by far, all year. Right now, yes, I would rather walk Martinez and face Cabrera if there was a good situation for an intentional walk. Also, the fact the VMart is a switch hitter is a HUGE factor. You can have the platoon advantage with him, but you can get past him to someone where you DO have the platoon advantage. If VMart has twice as many IBBs as Cabrera in a year where Cabrera is substantially better, then I can see where you'd have an argument. EDIT: Once again, I'm open to the idea of finding evidence for lineup protection, but pointing out that a team's best hitter has more IBB than the team's other hitters does not qualify as said evidence. Edited September 24, 2014 by Eminor3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I Love this White Sox bullpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1dog Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I would have given Victor something to LOOK AT there, right behind his head. If we sign that fool, I will be pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (1dog @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 12:35 PM) I would have given Victor something to LOOK AT there, right behind his head. If we sign that fool, I will be pissed. Everyone always says what a great guy he is. But even back in his days with CLE he always seemed like a douche to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (1dog @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:35 PM) I would have given Victor something to LOOK AT there, right behind his head. If we sign that fool, I will be pissed. Middle of the order hitters with power, who lead the league in getting on base, and rarely strike out, are total fools. We certainly don't need to see his type on the White Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) Your argument only makes sense if you assume teams are actually scared off by name value only, and not by actual performance. I give the teams more credit than that. Victor Martinez has been the best hitter on that team, by far, all year. Right now, yes, I would rather walk Martinez and face Cabrera if there was a good situation for an intentional walk. Also, the fact the VMart is a switch hitter is a HUGE factor. You can have the platoon advantage with him, but you can get past him to someone where you DO have the platoon advantage. If VMart has twice as many IBBs as Cabrera in a year where Cabrera is substantially better, then I can see where you'd have an argument. EDIT: Once again, I'm open to the idea of finding evidence for lineup protection, but pointing out that a team's best hitter has more IBB than the team's other hitters does not qualify as said evidence. So you really think if the hit exactly the same way but lined them up Victor/Cabrera/JD, Cabrera still would only have 10 IBB and Victor still would have 27, assuming first base was open the exact same amount? I think you are way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 01:06 PM) Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 4m We now know who Sale tipped his hat to earlier in the game. He thought pitches were being stolen/tipped apparently Scott Merkin @scottmerkin 3m Martinez stared at Sale all the way down the line. He said something to Sale. Sale answered and he pointed with his glove to CF ....I have no idea what is goin on right now This is exactly what was going on. Watch the video on mlb.com. You can clearly read Sale yelling "Gonna look out there, huh?" Pointing to the same place he was pointing to the previous inning. Then, Cooper and Scherzer got into it walking off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) This is exactly what was going on. Watch the video on mlb.com. You can clearly read Sale yelling "Gonna look out there, huh?" Pointing to the same place he was pointing to the previous inning. Then, Cooper and Scherzer got into it walking off the field. Gaah I wish I could watch this game, I love this stuff. I love when teams hate each other. Sale always seems to get a little amped up facing the Tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Lindstrom has been horrible since he returned. Hopefully he's not brought back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Must feel so good to be chris sale and see the likes of this s*** coming out to hold your tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (1dog @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 03:35 PM) I would have given Victor something to LOOK AT there, right behind his head. If we sign that fool, I will be pissed. Guess you'll be the only one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (shysocks @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:51 PM) Sale always seems to get a little amped up facing the Tigers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 01:34 PM) I Love this White Sox bullpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:47 PM) This is exactly what was going on. Watch the video on mlb.com. You can clearly read Sale yelling "Gonna look out there, huh?" Pointing to the same place he was pointing to the previous inning. Then, Cooper and Scherzer got into it walking off the field. There is a guy with binoculars signaling towards home plate, pretty obvious what seems to be happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Is Sale narcissitic that he thinks VMART who has owned him over his career is stealing signs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Stay classy tigers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 02:00 PM) Is Sale narcissitic that he thinks VMART who has owned him over his career is stealing signs? What was more telling is that VMart shrugged it all off standing at 1B and did little if nothing to engage Sale verbally after the HBP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 The opposing teams have been stealing signs against our bullpen all year!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 It's too bad we didn't get to see Lindstrom closing for most of this season. It would have been epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) The least surprising thing about benches clearing was either Belisario leading the bullpen pack or Belisario getting in between Sale and Cabrera talking. Beli leading an event that requires running is actually quite surprising to me. Now I could see him squeezing himself in front of Miggy and behind Sale at a buffet line. Edited September 24, 2014 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 03:04 PM) The least surprising thing about benches clearing was either Belisario leading the bullpen pack or Belisario getting in between Sale and Cabrera talking. Cabrera 0-4 with 4 Ks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 24, 2014 -> 03:01 PM) Stay classy tigers Please. Ever since they started winning, they've been a pretty classless team. Miguel Cabrera, one of, is the most classless player in the league, yet is beloved. I'll never understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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