southsider2k5 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/offs...medium=facebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I can't see them Non-Tendering Viciedo, like they suggested. They can probably get some kind of failed prospect in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I can't see them Non-Tendering Viciedo, like they suggested. They can probably get some kind of failed prospect in a trade. The problem is that the tender deadline comes up pretty early in the off-season. Of course the Sox would love to make a trade, but Viciedo probably isn't any team's Plan A, and by the time they get to Plans C and D, the tender deadline will be passed and I really don't think the Sox should commit $4M to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:02 AM) The problem is that the tender deadline comes up pretty early in the off-season. Of course the Sox would love to make a trade, but Viciedo probably isn't any team's Plan A, and by the time they get to Plans C and D, the tender deadline will be passed and I really don't think the Sox should commit $4M to him. They won't non-tender him. They will offer him for sure, and then try to move him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Reading that reminded me of how great the Sale and Quintana contracts are. I think one of the most important (if not THE most important) thing to address is a LH power bat. Beyond that, the bullpen needs a lot of help. Should be an interesting offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) Reading that reminded me of how great the Sale and Quintana contracts are. I think one of the most important (if not THE most important) thing to address is a LH power bat. Beyond that, the bullpen needs a lot of help. Should be an interesting offseason. Someone the other day mentioned Carlos Gonzalez. I feel like it's too much to hope for, but it'd be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:02 AM) The problem is that the tender deadline comes up pretty early in the off-season. Of course the Sox would love to make a trade, but Viciedo probably isn't any team's Plan A, and by the time they get to Plans C and D, the tender deadline will be passed and I really don't think the Sox should commit $4M to him. If you trade him to a rebuilding team that wants to take a chance on him and thinks maybe they see something they can correct and they have their own failed prospect that they do not believe will is fixable, then they can trade him at that point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:19 AM) Someone the other day mentioned Carlos Gonzalez. I feel like it's too much to hope for, but it'd be nice. I'd be pumped for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I would like CarGo I know he's hurt at times but he's good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 12:03 PM) They won't non-tender him. They will offer him for sure, and then try to move him. My guess...if they tender him a contract, he's on the roster at the start of April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I wonder what kind of prospect package would need to be included to take all the money for CarGo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:26 AM) I would like CarGo I know he's hurt at times but he's good. he is hurt a lot more than "at times". The most games he has played in one season is 145. This is his career games played 2014 70 games 2013 110 games 2012 135 games 2011 127 games 2010 145 games 2009 89 games 2008 85 games the guy is only 28 years old and has missed a tremendous amount of time to injuries already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:49 AM) he is hurt a lot more than "at times". The most games he has played in one season is 145. This is his career games played 2014 70 games 2013 110 games 2012 135 games 2011 127 games 2010 145 games 2009 89 games 2008 85 games the guy is only 28 years old and has missed a tremendous amount of time to injuries already And to add to that he's owed 16M in 2015 17M in 2016 20M in 2017 With his escalating salary and injury history, Colorado would have to send money or be willing to exchange bad contracts like Gonzalez for Danks. Even then, that escalating salary scares me and I would probably still want some money from Colorado. Yet, for some reason, I'm intrigued by the idea of Gonzalez playing LF in a Sox uni. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevo880 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I just don't see the Rockies FO trading Tulo or Cargo. They are fan favorites and they have said repeatedly over the last couple seasons that those 2 aren't going anywhere. The FO in Denver is so twisted. All they care about it the fan experience at the field, and bringing in quality men to their team instead of just searching for talent. Monfort refuses to fire O'Dowd. Any other team would have fired O'Dowd long ago...it's ridiculous. They fail to recognize that they need to adopt the philosophy that the White Sox finally have, in drafting and signing ground ball pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 If you trade him to a rebuilding team that wants to take a chance on him and thinks maybe they see something they can correct and they have their own failed prospect that they do not believe will is fixable, then they can trade him at that point in time. If someone is willing to trade for him before the tender deadline, that's great, but I don't see the Sox committing themselves to $4M+ just to hope that somebody will take him off their hands later in the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 If a CarGo for Danks + prospect swap happened, I'd be 100% behind that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) Reading that reminded me of how great the Sale and Quintana contracts are. I think one of the most important (if not THE most important) thing to address is a LH power bat. Beyond that, the bullpen needs a lot of help. Should be an interesting offseason. How about a right hander that kills lefties? If the splits are 10 points or less regardless of the pitcher they face, bring 'em on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 12:10 PM) How about a right hander that kills lefties? If the splits are 10 points or less regardless of the pitcher they face, bring 'em on! Right handers are the ones that typically kill lefties. I think you may mean a right hander that kills righties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 How about a right hander that kills lefties? If the splits are 10 points or less regardless of the pitcher they face, bring 'em on! The Sox are in the process of acquiring all the left-handed pitchers, so how their hitters fare against lefties will be irrelevant once Spring Training intrasquad games are over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 01:10 PM) How about a right hander that kills lefties? If the splits are 10 points or less regardless of the pitcher they face, bring 'em on! The problem is that the manager made it clear this year he will design a lineup to break up righties if at all possible. If you can suggest someone who fits, but the manager drops him in the order because he's a righty and there needs to be a lefty in-between him and Abreu, that sorta doesn't work out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 12:19 PM) Right handers are the ones that typically kill lefties. I think you may mean a right hander that kills righties. Yup, good catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) I would like CarGo I know he's hurt at times but he's good. He sure seems to be an arrogant bastard too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Ya I know he's hurt a ton. I don't know why I said at times lol because he's my favorite non sox player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 11:49 AM) he is hurt a lot more than "at times". The most games he has played in one season is 145. This is his career games played 2014 70 games 2013 110 games 2012 135 games 2011 127 games 2010 145 games 2009 89 games 2008 85 games the guy is only 28 years old and has missed a tremendous amount of time to injuries already Plus, he's not that good of a hitter outside of Coors Field. .258/.314/.437 in his career away from Coors. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 3, 2014 -> 12:10 PM) If a CarGo for Danks + prospect swap happened, I'd be 100% behind that. Assuming the prospects aren't great, I'd take that every time. But I think we all know it ain't happening. Danks at Coors would be a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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