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[Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm]

Someone the other day mentioned Carlos Gonzalez. I feel like it's too much to hope for, but it'd be nice.

 

I hope if that's the case they keep Viciedo for CarGo's obligitory 100-game DL stint.

[Bigsoxhurt35]

He sure seems to be an arrogant bastard too...

Really? Never noticed

[Balta1701]

I hope if that's the case they keep Viciedo for CarGo's obligitory 100-game DL stint.

Just to brainstorm...if injury is his issue, could he survive as a full time DH? Hit well enough and maybe play the field 20ish games a season or something like that?

[Vance Law]

A question about Viciedo's contract:

 

How did he end up with the same salary in 2013 and 2014? Doesn't that virtually never happen in arbitration? Even if a player absolutely sucks, they generally get some kind of raise if they're actually put in the lineup to play the games.

[Balta1701]

A question about Viciedo's contract:

 

How did he end up with the same salary in 2013 and 2014? Doesn't that virtually never happen in arbitration? Even if a player absolutely sucks, they generally get some kind of raise if they're actually put in the lineup to play the games.

IIRC his contract specified his 2013 salary and his 2014 salary was mostly compared to comparable salaries, not his previous salary.

[Chicago White Sox]

A question about Viciedo's contract:

 

How did he end up with the same salary in 2013 and 2014? Doesn't that virtually never happen in arbitration? Even if a player absolutely sucks, they generally get some kind of raise if they're actually put in the lineup to play the games.

If I remember correctly, he was in the last year of his major league deal in 2013. However, this past year he was not yet arbitration eligible, which means we could pay him whatever we want as long as we didn't reduce his salary by more than 20%.

[Vance Law]

If I remember correctly, he was in the last year of his major league deal in 2013. However, this past year he was not yet arbitration eligible, which means we could pay him whatever we want as long as we didn't reduce his salary by more than 20%.

 

Ahh, thought he was arb eligible last year.

[Boopa1219]

I would like to see the team try to shop Alexi this offseason, because I don't think he pays for the Sox after 2015 and there are some teams out there who desperately need a shortstop and would overpay for his services.

 

I would do not want Viciedo on the Sox anymore, I would trade him for whatever is out there. He is still young enough that he could improve, but I'm tired of his underperforming and I think a change of scenery will do him well.

 

I think Rodon could use a little more seasoning in the minors before he's up for good and I see him joining the rotation sometime in June or July.

 

I really want the team to shop every player on the roster and see what kind if offers are out there. Maybe hey could pull of a deal that can bring them some major prospects who can really put the finishing touches on the rebuild. (Looking at you Yankees, Dodgers and Pirates.)

 

And can we get the defense shored up, that's a few more wins right there.

 

Oh and I really do like Nolan Sanburg and I think that he can be the ace of the bullpen going forward like. Johnny Venters or a Chad Bradford. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/2/6/39...prospect-report

Edited October 4, 2014 by Joshua Strong

[oldsox]

Just to brainstorm...if injury is his issue, could he survive as a full time DH? Hit well enough and maybe play the field 20ish games a season or something like that?

Cargo is Gold Glove OF; don't want to DH him. Last two seasons he's had finger problems, including a cyst that had to be taken out. How hard is it to fix a damn finger? The reason his road numbers are worse is because Coors Field causes an adjustment to be made when they go on the road. If he played in Chicago, he wouldn't have that problem. Cargo is an MVP waiting to happen. Hahn should go after him. I have no idea what kind of pitching package they would want, but Hahn should find out.

[Boopa1219]

Cargo is Gold Glove OF; don't want to DH him. Last two seasons he's had finger problems, including a cyst that had to be taken out. How hard is it to fix a damn finger? The reason his road numbers are worse is because Coors Field causes an adjustment to be made when they go on the road. If he played in Chicago, he wouldn't have that problem. Cargo is an MVP waiting to happen. Hahn should go after him. I have no idea what kind of pitching package they would want, but Hahn should find out.

 

You do not Cargo on the Sox, you think you do but you don't. He's getting old, he's often injured and he can not hit away from Coors. Not to mention that he owed about $12 million annually till 2018.

 

We just cleared all of our bad contracts, and now you want the team to acquire another one... Tisk Tisk.

[BlackSox13]

You do not Cargo on the Sox, you think you do but you don't. He's getting old, he's often injured and he can not hit away from Coors. Not to mention that he owed about $12 million annually till 2018.

 

We just cleared all of our bad contracts, and now you want the team to acquire another one... Tisk Tisk.

Sorry CarGo fans but Joshua is spot on here. CarGo batted .160 away from Coors and batted .336 at Coors. To me that tells the tale right there. Plus, as I pointed out yesterday in this thread, CarGo is owed 16M in 2015, 17M in 2016 and 20M in 2017. Here's the link to baseball reference where I got the CarGo stats from.

 

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts

 

After seeing his splits and salary, there's no way I would take CarGo and dare I say I would rather have Danks as far as bad contracts are concerned.

[Balta1701]

Sorry CarGo fans but Joshua is spot on here. CarGo batted .160 away from Coors and batted .336 at Coors. To me that tells the tale right there. Plus, as I pointed out yesterday in this thread, CarGo is owed 16M in 2015, 17M in 2016 and 20M in 2017. Here's the link to baseball reference where I got the CarGo stats from.

 

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...shtml#contracts

 

After seeing his splits and salary, there's no way I would take CarGo and dare I say I would rather have Danks as far as bad contracts are concerned.

The flip side is that guys often play better at home regardless of where it is, so there's several separate effects we have to untangle. Carlos Gonzalez does not seem likely to be a .160 hitter if he's put in the AL, do you agree? I would say he's probably better than a .160 hitter with any team.

 

He may not put up MVP caliber numbers outside of Coors, but there's still some upside there. The question is...how would he actually play out of that park. I'll agree it's a concern there but it's not "he's a .160 hitter outside of Colorado" dramatic, or at least I'd be stunned if it was.

[BlackSox13]

The flip side is that guys often play better at home regardless of where it is, so there's several separate effects we have to untangle. Carlos Gonzalez does not seem likely to be a .160 hitter if he's put in the AL, do you agree? I would say he's probably better than a .160 hitter with any team.

 

He may not put up MVP caliber numbers outside of Coors, but there's still some upside there. The question is...how would he actually play out of that park. I'll agree it's a concern there but it's not "he's a .160 hitter outside of Colorado" dramatic, or at least I'd be stunned if it was.

I agree that he would likely hit better than .160 so I guess the question is, how much better?

 

Plus, that salary of his is beyond horrible. The Rockies would have to send ALOT of money with CarGo, ALOT!

[venom4789]

The flip side is that guys often play better at home regardless of where it is, so there's several separate effects we have to untangle. Carlos Gonzalez does not seem likely to be a .160 hitter if he's put in the AL, do you agree? I would say he's probably better than a .160 hitter with any team.

 

He may not put up MVP caliber numbers outside of Coors, but there's still some upside there. The question is...how would he actually play out of that park. I'll agree it's a concern there but it's not "he's a .160 hitter outside of Colorado" dramatic, or at least I'd be stunned if it was.

 

The problem is he is being paid mvp type money

[GreenSox]

I would like to see the team try to shop Alexi this offseason, because I don't think he pays for the Sox after 2015 and there are some teams out there who desperately need a shortstop and would overpay for his services.

 

I would do not want Viciedo on the Sox anymore, I would trade him for whatever is out there. He is still young enough that he could improve, but I'm tired of his underperforming and I think a change of scenery will do him well.

 

I think Rodon could use a little more seasoning in the minors before he's up for good and I see him joining the rotation sometime in June or July.

 

I really want the team to shop every player on the roster and see what kind if offers are out there. Maybe hey could pull of a deal that can bring them some major prospects who can really put the finishing touches on the rebuild. (Looking at you Yankees, Dodgers and Pirates.)

 

And can we get the defense shored up, that's a few more wins right there.

 

Oh and I really do like Nolan Sanburg and I think that he can be the ace of the bullpen going forward like. Johnny Venters or a Chad Bradford. http://www.minorleagueball.com/2013/2/6/39...prospect-report

I agree with this on shopping Alexei, Viciedo, Rodon, and defense. Wish Gillaspie hadn't tanked in August and Sept or we could have shopped him too. I don't know anything about Sanburn, but I sure as heck don't recall Chad Bradford ever being an ace.

 

[Quin]

You only go for CarGo if they take Danks and send money. You send a package like Beck & Thompson in return with Danks.

[nickofypres]

Gargo career away at bats*: 258/314/437 (.750), 101 wRC+

 

-4 career DRS in LF.

 

Not really worth $12MM a year, as mentioned above.

 

 

 

*includes 2008 with Oakland

[beautox]

Plus, he's not that good of a hitter outside of Coors Field. .258/.314/.437 in his career away from Coors.

 

No thanks.

I'm sorry but i don't buy that line of reasoning, if that was case we shouldn't go after the likes of Giancarlo Stanton or Anthony Rizzo if they became available because of their splits...

 

Stanton

Home: .282/.384/.558 - .942

Away: .259/.344/.522 - .866

 

Rizzo

Home: .274/.369/.476 - .845

Away: .280/.317/.440 - .757

 

 

CarGo

Home: .329/.387/.601 - .988

Away: .258/.314/.437 - .750

 

in addition to that nevermind the fact that in '13 when he was healthy his road splits were exceptionally better than his home to the tune of .332/.381/.606 - .987 vs. .273/.354/ .576 - .930

 

The rockies are in tough position because they've got 4 outfielders to occupy 3 spots CarGo, Dickerson, Stubbs & Blackmon of which 3 are left handed (CarGo, Dickerson, Blackmon), 2 are cheap(Dickerson & Blackmon), 2 are older (CarGo & Blackmon) and two are well below average defensively (CarGo & Dickerson). One of them needs to go to either free up money so they can address their issues this offseason and possibility net a piece or two or simply get traded for another piece in a deficient area.

 

I don't think a John Danks + Prospects for CarGo is that crazy. Danks would've lead their staff in IP and honestly I don't think he is completely cashed out. I don't think he'll ever find his former glory but i think he is capable of being a 1-2WAR starter. The rockies would be saving themselves 25.6M over the next three year (2.8, 2.8 + 20M respectively) and the sox wouldn't be adding that much at all.

 

The sox payroll in '13 was nearly 119M, this past year it was 90M and in '15 they only have 46M committed. They should easily have 44M+ to commit to getting this team into competition again. The highest the payroll has ever been was in '08 when it was nearly 128M and as recently as '13 they were well over 100M.

[caulfield12]

I agree with this on shopping Alexei, Viciedo, Rodon, and defense. Wish Gillaspie hadn't tanked in August and Sept or we could have shopped him too. I don't know anything about Sanburn, but I sure as heck don't recall Chad Bradford ever being an ace.

 

Rodon??? Really?

[Kyyle23]

Rodon??? Really?

 

If I am reading his reply correctly, I think he is agreeing with the previous poster that Rodon may need more seasoning in the minors. I don't think he was saying to shop Rodon, although his reply reads like that

[cabiness42]

If I am reading his reply correctly, I think he is agreeing with the previous poster that Rodon may need more seasoning in the minors. I don't think he was saying to shop Rodon, although his reply reads like that

 

Can't be traded before June anyway, can he? Or did that rule get changed?

[oldsox]

Can't be traded before June anyway, can he? Or did that rule get changed?

One year from signing date, IIRC.

[peavy44]

We are not going trade rodon that be stupid.

[Lemon_44]

You do not Cargo on the Sox, you think you do but you don't. He's getting old, he's often injured and he can not hit away from Coors. Not to mention that he owed about $12 million annually till 2018.

 

We just cleared all of our bad contracts, and now you want the team to acquire another one... Tisk Tisk.

Getting old?????????? He's 28. Is Abreu getting old, he's 27. I'll take Gonzales through his late 20's and early 30's at 12 mill/year. I don't see how anyone could not want him. The injury risk could be the only factor giving anyone doubt.

[daggins]

RE: Cargo -

 

One, he will be 29 in a few days, so saying he is 28 is a bit dishonest.

 

Two, he has had some very bad injuries of late, the kind that sap speed and range. The kind that could seriously affect his defensive game, and even his swing.

 

Three, he has had a substantial uptick in his K rate over the last two seasons.

 

Four, he has the aforementioned alarming home/road splits.

 

Five, he is owed 16, 17 and 20 million over the next three seasons.

 

Basically, no.