Your 2015 Offseason Plan

[LDF]

Let's see, would I trade Carlos Sanchez for Heyward? You got it. What about Matt Davidson? Sign me up! You want Courtney Hawkins too? Ok, no problem. You want all 3 for Heyward? Done deal!

 

ok, but talk about over paying ...... jeeze

 

for 1 yr.

[thxfrthmmrs]

ok, but talk about over paying ...... jeeze

 

for 1 yr.

 

We are talking about 3 guys, 2 of which may never make any contributions in the ML. If Heyward is indeed traded, the offer might actually be better than that.

Edited October 24, 2014 by thxfrthmmrs

[witesoxfan]

We are talking about 3 guys, 2 of which may never make any contributions in the ML. If Heyward is indeed traded, the offer might actually be better than that.

 

Yeah, Sanchez actually seems like a legitimate piece the Braves could/would have interest in, but they're gonna need a legitimate A or B level prospect to consider tradnig Heyward to the Sox.

 

Danish, Hawkins, and Sanchez is about as low as I could see them going. I have no problem with that, but I think the Braves would also get a better offer than that.

[Balta1701]

Yeah, Sanchez actually seems like a legitimate piece the Braves could/would have interest in, but they're gonna need a legitimate A or B level prospect to consider tradnig Heyward to the Sox.

 

Danish, Hawkins, and Sanchez is about as low as I could see them going. I have no problem with that, but I think the Braves would also get a better offer than that.

They'd be able to get a better offer than that if Hayward was willing to immediately sign his 8/$160 extension or something like that.

[LDF]

We are talking about 3 guys, 2 of which may never make any contributions in the ML.

If Heyward is indeed traded, the offer might actually be better than that.

 

if they are willing to send these 3 prospects, why not offer it to someone else.

[witesoxfan]

They'd be able to get a better offer than that if Hayward was willing to immediately sign his 8/$160 extension or something like that.

 

I just don't know that I see Heyward getting an 8 year deal. I don't think it's impossible, I just think that teams would want to see him improve his hitting as defense is a skill that has a strong correlation of deteriorating with the loss of athleticism.

[witesoxfan]

if they are willing to send these 3 prospects, why not offer it to someone else.

 

I think you are really underrating Jason Heyward. He's a good all around player who has the ability and talent to be a great all around player, like possibly a guy who gets a few MVP votes from time to time.

[Balta1701]

I just don't know that I see Heyward getting an 8 year deal. I don't think it's impossible, I just think that teams would want to see him improve his hitting as defense is a skill that has a strong correlation of deteriorating with the loss of athleticism.

I'm still trying to figure out if teams actually believe these defense-dominated WAR numbers for corner OFs, but with Alex Gordon leading the Royals to the series this year I feel like some of them will start, and if that happens someone will go pretty close to that level, maybe beyond it, for a 27 year old Heyward.

 

Hell, it's not hard to convince yourself he can still be a lot better with the bat during that deal as well.

[witesoxfan]

I'm still trying to figure out if teams actually believe these defense-dominated WAR numbers for corner OFs, but with Alex Gordon leading the Royals to the series this year I feel like some of them will start, and if that happens someone will go pretty close to that level, maybe beyond it, for a 27 year old Heyward.

 

Hell, it's not hard to convince yourself he can still be a lot better with the bat during that deal as well.

 

I don't think the $20 million is outrageous at all. I think it's just 8 years.

 

Personally, I'd have no problem with the Sox, given a trade for him, signing him to a 6 year $120 million extension. It's those last two years that have me concerned.

[thxfrthmmrs]

I am not worry about giving 3 prospects for Heyward. Sox are not desperate for a guy like Heyward for 1 year, so if they trade for him, they best know they can sign him for the extension and they are willing to pay the dollars. The prospects we are giving away are just secondary.

[GreenSox]

Jason Heyward had an OPS of .735 last year and is signed for 1 more year.

 

The idea that it takes multiple top prospects to get his services for a year is crazy. The only thing sillier is that the Sox should be the team to do it.

The Sox have had 3 90 win seasons (and 3 playoff berths) in the last 20 year using that approach.

[LDF]

I think you are really underrating Jason Heyward. He's a good all around player who has the ability and talent to be a great all around player, like possibly a guy who gets a few MVP votes from time to time.

 

I will be honest with you, I don't know if it is underrating but maybe its more

of overrating our prospect.

 

the other things is, everything I read, he wants to go the FA rt. but the trade can

be made if ATL allows the sox to try to sign him to a contract.

[Balta1701]

Jason Heyward had an OPS of .735 last year and is signed for 1 more year.

 

The idea that it takes multiple top prospects to get his services for a year is crazy. The only thing sillier is that the Sox should be the team to do it.

The Sox have had 3 90 win seasons (and 3 playoff berths) in the last 20 year using that approach.

Clearly it would be foolish for the White Sox to trade for him if they weren't both willing and able to pony up a huge price to keep him from reaching free agency the next year or he wasn't willing to sign that huge deal.

[LDF]

 

with John Axford getting dfa, would any oppose the sox getting him.

I think he would be a nice pickup.

 

from his scouting rpt.

 

96–98 MPH, but can reach as high as 100 MPH

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GreenSox]

This could be something interesting for the Sox.

 

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN 3h3 hours ago

 

The Phillies have signaled to some corners of the market that they're going to be ready to deal veterans this winter,and eat money to do it.

Let's get Dom Brown. LH hitter with power; DH. Shouldn't cost that much. Change of scenery deal for Viciedo.

 

Honestly, if the Sox simply get average at LF, RF (should be with A Garcia), and 2b, add a DH and starting pitcher, and a bullpen pitcher ( they really need someone from the left side; I think the young guys like Putman and Petricka will improve), this team could win in the 80s. Now it's not easy to find decent players in all of those spots.

Edited October 25, 2014 by GreenSox

[TheFutureIsNear]

Another name from the Philles is Darin Ruff. He's not a lefty, but he's still a very interesting cheap DH option in my eyes. He's 28 already and still doesn't have a spot on the Phillies roster because of the Ryan Howard contract so he should be pretty cheap to trade for. He has 20 HR's and a .805 OPS in 447 spread out at bats at the MLB level. Back in 2012 he hit .317/.408./.620 with 38 HR's in AA and .311/.392/.511 the year before in High A, so the guy definitely has a history of hitting the ball. He's obviously not ideal and wouldn't be anywhere near my 1st choice....but it would interest me to see what he could do at the plate if given a full season. Maybe could be an option C type guy if Hahn's initial plans don't work out.

[Jerksticks]

I'm all for trading any of our prospects for a great young corner OF. The team is ready to win. We have Babe Ruth for ef sakes.

[Dick Allen]

I received a season ticketholder extension package today. My invoice is for the same price as last season, however, the chart shows a significant increase, probably for new accounts. I think it means they plan on spending money and being good.

[Baron]

I received a season ticketholder extension package today. My invoice is for the same price as last season, however, the chart shows a significant increase, probably for new accounts. I think it means they plan on spending money and being good.

 

That would go along with all the signs we've seen so far...definitely excited for this offseason

[greg775]

I've been thinking of ways to improve the Sox through free agency. I think I really can fix our starting rotation on the cheap. Here's my plan.

 

OK. Jake Peavy is 33 years old. He is a free agent cause the player option doesn't kick in since he only pitched 200 innings. The Sox need a righty starter. Why not Jake?

Better yet, sign Peavy and Masterson and trade Danks or turn him into a reliever. You sign Peavy 2 years 14 million and Masterson 2 years 14 million. That's a paltry 7 million a year apiece added to the payroll for 2 years.

 

We'd have Sale, Peavy, Q, Masterson, Rodon. That's not a bad rotation. If Danks can adjust, he'd be a damn fine addition to the bullpen. If you can trade him for a fourth outfielder, fine.

 

Now, go ahead and sign Billy Butler for 2 years 18 million. Yes it's risky to give him 9 million a year but you are gambling he can elevate the ball in the Cell. So that's nine million a year.

Finally you sign Aoki for one year, 7 million to be our fourth outfielder.

 

So we have that excellent starting rotation I mentioned, and we have Danks in the bullpen. We've only added 23 million to the payroll in my scheme which means we can gamble and pick a closer out of the free agent crop and pay him 9 million a year. So I've added 32 million dollars a year. Isn't that a doable number? I thought I read Sox have a payroll of about 60 million right now; I've added 32 million and it's still under 100 million.

 

Our lineup

1B-Babe Ruth. 2B-Semien. SS-Lexi. 3B-Davidson/Gillaspie. LF-Viciedo. CF-Eaton. RF-A. Garcia. DH-Butler. Fourth outfielder-Aoki. C-Tyler Flowers (still not optimal).

If Davidson emerges, this is a heckuva lineup. Davidson is KEY! If Viciedo gets better, that would also help my lineup.

 

What do you say??? My plan is doable.

[Jerksticks]

I've been thinking of ways to improve the Sox through free agency. I think I really can fix our starting rotation on the cheap. Here's my plan.

 

OK. Jake Peavy is 33 years old. He is a free agent cause the player option doesn't kick in since he only pitched 200 innings. The Sox need a righty starter. Why not Jake?

Better yet, sign Peavy and Masterson and trade Danks or turn him into a reliever. You sign Peavy 2 years 14 million and Masterson 2 years 14 million. That's a paltry 7 million a year apiece added to the payroll for 2 years.

 

We'd have Sale, Peavy, Q, Masterson, Rodon. That's not a bad rotation. If Danks can adjust, he'd be a damn fine addition to the bullpen. If you can trade him for a fourth outfielder, fine.

 

Now, go ahead and sign Billy Butler for 2 years 18 million. Yes it's risky to give him 9 million a year but you are gambling he can elevate the ball in the Cell. So that's nine million a year.

Finally you sign Aoki for one year, 7 million to be our fourth outfielder.

 

So we have that excellent starting rotation I mentioned, and we have Danks in the bullpen. We've only added 23 million to the payroll in my scheme which means we can gamble and pick a closer out of the free agent crop and pay him 9 million a year. So I've added 32 million dollars a year. Isn't that a doable number? I thought I read Sox have a payroll of about 60 million right now; I've added 32 million and it's still under 100 million.

 

Our lineup

1B-Babe Ruth. 2B-Semien. SS-Lexi. 3B-Davidson/Gillaspie. LF-Viciedo. CF-Eaton. RF-A. Garcia. DH-Butler. Fourth outfielder-Aoki. C-Tyler Flowers (still not optimal).

If Davidson emerges, this is a heckuva lineup. Davidson is KEY! If Viciedo gets better, that would also help my lineup.

 

What do you say??? My plan is doable.

I still don't think you've done enough to make the lineup dangerous. The babe needs backup. And tank in LF? Get the ef outa here with that crazy talk.

[greg775]

I still don't think you've done enough to make the lineup dangerous. The babe needs backup. And tank in LF? Get the ef outa here with that crazy talk.

 

Well, I've given Hahn a break and put Davidson in there. What if he rakes? Also, what if A. Garcia is as good as Hahn thinks? As far as Tank, well, I didn't want to spend too much money and put it over 100 million. My plan still has the Sox as one of the cheapskates of baseball. My bullpen would be improved and my rotation might be a division winner. If Rodon is great, we've got Rodon, Sale, Q and Peavy in the same rotation!

Defense is still iffy at best, but I don't know really what to do about it unless we trade for somebody who has leather in the outfield cause Aoki sucks defensively, too.

But my team is GREAT cause of my rotation and bullpen.

[GGajewski18]

Would you guys be interested in Cespedes if he can sign an extension? Olney tweeted that he thinks they'll trade him now because he switched agents.

 

Again, I know he's not a lefty bat, but its something to consider because I think I'd sign Adam LaRoche to a 2 year deal too.

[Dick Allen]

Would you guys be interested in Cespedes if he can sign an extension? Olney tweeted that he thinks they'll trade him now because he switched agents.

 

Again, I know he's not a lefty bat, but its something to consider because I think I'd sign Adam LaRoche to a 2 year deal too.

How much better than Viciedo can you really expect Cespedes to be, at least offensively? Is that worth the eight figures a year?

[LDF]

Would you guys be interested in Cespedes if he can sign an extension? Olney tweeted that he thinks they'll trade him now because he switched agents.

 

Again, I know he's not a lefty bat, but its something to consider because I think I'd sign Adam LaRoche to a 2 year deal too.

 

I would welcome Cespedes easily.

 

Ref Adam LaRoche, I will look to see if the Nats tenders him. here is the question,

he is a better first baseman defensively, so how does the sox deal with who will

man first and the dh.