Y2Jimmy0 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 06:31 PM) Back to baseball. Chad Billingsly is now a free agent. Could be low risk, high reward type guy. Maybe try him even in the bullpen. I just tweeted something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 06:34 PM) I just tweeted something similar. Yeah, I think his starter days are over. But I think he could be something in the bullpen. He's still young, 29 I believe. Anybody know what he has been throwing mph wise lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 07:37 PM) Yeah, I think his starter days are over. But I think he could be something in the bullpen. He's still young, 29 I believe. Anybody know what he has been throwing mph wise lately? He pitched 0 big league innings in 2014, in 2013 his max fastball hit >93, but still down from when he was peaking at 95+ as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 12:08 AM) I say go for it. After all, this is Canseco and Madonna were talking about. Is it a reference to her playboy pics in the 80's? nah, I would like to keep this clean..... but I am tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 01:45 AM) He pitched 0 big league innings in 2014, in 2013 his max fastball hit >93, but still down from when he was peaking at 95+ as a starter. I would like to know what his salary demands would be??? with the lost of his speed, I think he is savvy enuf to be a better all around better pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 a couple more waiver pickups. Dana Eveland and Buddy Carlyle. I have always been a fan of Dana Eveland. however the pitcher who may fill the need of the sox would be Carlyle, even for a 1 plus 1 option in yrs and performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I'd kick the tires on Eveland. Not sure what he wants or what he's worth but I'd look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palehose23 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Sign 1. Brandon McCarthy 3yrs 38 mil 2. Andrew Miller 3 yrs 26 mil 3. Luke Gregerson 2 yrs 12 mil 4. One of these 2 (preference in order) Nick Markakis 3 yrs 33 mil Melky Cabrera 3 yrs 47 mil (Move Avisail to LF left if you acquire Markakis) 5. Justin Masterson 1 yr 8 mil Trade John Danks for Edwin Jackson and stick him in the bullpen/spot starter Lineup Eaton-CF Markakis-RF (or Cabrera-LF) Abreu-1B Avisail-LF (RF) Alexei-SS Gillaspie-3B Viciedo- DH Flowers-C Micah Johnson-2B Rotation Sale McCarthy Quintana Rodon Masterson Bullpen CL-Petricka Putnam Miller Gregerson Guerra Jackson Carroll Edited November 1, 2014 by palehose23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (palehose23 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 08:56 PM) Sign 1. Brandon McCarthy 3yrs 38 mil 2. Andrew Miller 3 yrs 26 mil 3. Luke Gregerson 2 yrs 12 mil 4. One of these 2 (preference in order) Nick Markakis 3 yrs 33 mil Melky Cabrera 3 yrs 47 mil (Move Avisail to LF left if you acquire Markakis) 5. Justin Masterson 1 yr 8 mil Lineup Eaton-CF Markakis-RF (or Cabrera-LF) Abreu-1B Avisail-LF (RF) Alexei-SS Gillaspie-3B Viciedo- DH Flowers-C Micah Johnson-2B Rotation Sale McCarthy Quintana Rodon Masterson Bullpen CL-Petricka Putnam Miller Gregerson Guerra Surkamp Carroll What happens with John Danks and his contract? Also, Noesi put up better numbers than Masterson so why replace Noesi? Not trying to nitpick, just asking a few questions is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 09:33 PM) What happens with John Danks and his contract? Also, Noesi put up better numbers than Masterson so why replace Noesi? Not trying to nitpick, just asking a few questions is all. This plan means the White Sox add $45M - $50M to the payroll. How realistic is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palehose23 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 09:33 PM) What happens with John Danks and his contract? Also, Noesi put up better numbers than Masterson so why replace Noesi? Not trying to nitpick, just asking a few questions is all. I initially had a trade on there that I erased which was Danks for Edwin Jackson but I thought better about it. Forgot to include him on 2015 roster, my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palehose23 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (spiderman @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) This plan means the White Sox add $45M - $50M to the payroll. How realistic is that? Only 39 million from new players which gets you to the starting 2014 payroll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (palehose23 @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 01:45 AM) Only 39 million from new players which gets you to the starting 2014 payroll I don't think the White Sox get Miller for 3/26. He is pretty well guaranteed $8 per year and Boston and Baltimore are at least involved. He said he will not give Boston a home town discount so my gut says the White Sox have to go 4/$40 to seperate themselves from more attractive situations for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Alright my new plan.... Trades- -Viciedo for Carson Smith and PTBNL -Carlos Sanchez for Adam Lind Signings- - I still can't decide so 1 of Melky, Markakis or Rasmus - Chad Billingsley - Sergio Romo - Zach Duke - Jorge Despaigne C- Flowers 1B- Abreu 2B- Micah Johnson/Semien SS- Alexei 3B- Conor/Semien LF- Free Agent CF- Eaton RF- Garcia DH- Lind SP- Sale SP- Q SP- Rodon SP- Noesi SP- Danks RP- Bassit RP- Colton Smith RP- Putnam LHRP- Zach Duke LHRP- Snodgress SU- Petricka CL- Sergio Romo Edited November 1, 2014 by TheFutureIsNear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (palehose23 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 08:56 PM) Sign 1. Brandon McCarthy 3yrs 38 mil 2. Andrew Miller 3 yrs 26 mil 3. Luke Gregerson 2 yrs 12 mil 4. One of these 2 (preference in order) Nick Markakis 3 yrs 33 mil Melky Cabrera 3 yrs 47 mil (Move Avisail to LF left if you acquire Markakis) 5. Justin Masterson 1 yr 8 mil teh problem here is that if you sit back and look at it , the Sox have spent $141 million on 2 bullpen pitchers, a #3, starter, a #4 starter (a #12 starter if he repeats 2014) and one outfielder. A lot of money for a lot of decent talent. Factor out last year, Miller is indistinguishable from the Sox bullpen pitchers last year. I know we'll have to sign one of these relief pitchers but I wouldn't go overboard. It's reasonable to expect some internal improvement from these guys and the Sox farm actually has some real prospect arms. McCarthy is an injury machine - I like him (I liked him a lot when he pitched for us) and he would be a good fit for this rotation IF we can get 200 innings out of him, which has happened exactly once in his 10 year career (last year). Edited November 1, 2014 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (spiderman @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) This plan means the White Sox add $45M - $50M to the payroll. How realistic is that? 0 chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 Blue Jays exercise their option on Adam Lind. Wonder if they trade him now with Smoak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 10:59 AM) 0 chance I still don't understand why this is so impossible. IF the players they're signing all make since I could certainly see it. Now the chances on them being able to "beat" every other team on these guys that make sense might be rather slim, but hypothetically speaking if their offers do get em I don't see them capping their spendings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 11:28 AM) I still don't understand why this is so impossible. IF the players they're signing all make since I could certainly see it. Now the chances on them being able to "beat" every other team on these guys that make sense might be rather slim, but hypothetically speaking if their offers do get em I don't see them capping their spendings. The one problem they are going to have is many teams who spend a lot of money are looking for the exact same things the White Sox are looking for. So the top pf the line guys are going to cost a lot in either cash if they are free agents or talent in a trade, so I would imagine most of the White Sox holes are going to be filled by lower tiered guys they think project well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (palehose23 @ Oct 31, 2014 -> 10:05 PM) I initially had a trade on there that I erased which was Danks for Edwin Jackson but I thought better about it. Forgot to include him on 2015 roster, my bad Its cool, I was curious is all. QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 11:28 AM) I still don't understand why this is so impossible. IF the players they're signing all make since I could certainly see it. Now the chances on them being able to "beat" every other team on these guys that make sense might be rather slim, but hypothetically speaking if their offers do get em I don't see them capping their spendings. Agreed. Its not like the payroll would rise to uncharted territory. If Hahn signs and trades for the right players to make this team a contender in 2015 I can see it happening quite easily. Seeing as how the off season just got started, I'll wait and see what Hahn comes up with before deciding yes or no on anything. Edited November 1, 2014 by StRoostifer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 11:45 AM) The one problem they are going to have is many teams who spend a lot of money are looking for the exact same things the White Sox are looking for. So the top pf the line guys are going to cost a lot in either cash if they are free agents or talent in a trade, so I would imagine most of the White Sox holes are going to be filled by lower tiered guys they think project well. That's where my 2nd sentence comes into play. I'm sure they'll be in on all the guys that make sense for the ball club but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll win the bidding on all those guys. I'm merely saying that if they can make sense of 45-50M in new money that it can happen. I mean with arbitration to Flowers, Noesi, Jones, and Guerra the payroll will only be 47M so the 45-50M wouldn't even put the payroll over 100M....The possibility exists that some team might take on Danks as well so that's even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 12:45 PM) Its cool, I was curious is all. Agreed. Its not like the payroll would rise to uncharted territory. If Hahn signs and trades for the right players to make this team a contender in 2015 I can see it happening quite easily. Seeing as how the off season just got started, I'll wait and see what Hahn comes up with before deciding yes or no on anything. I actually agree with you guys on this, if the White Sox find the right fits, they could absolutely justify adding $40 million or so to the payroll, but the key is going to be getting something done successfully via trade first because $40 million spent solely in FA doesn't make this team a contender unless someone over-performs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 11:59 AM) I actually agree with you guys on this, if the White Sox find the right fits, they could absolutely justify adding $40 million or so to the payroll, but the key is going to be getting something done successfully via trade first because $40 million spent solely in FA doesn't make this team a contender unless someone over-performs. They could certainly justify 40M on the market if the rumors of them wanting Martinez are true. I know a lot of people don't want him or don't see it happening because of his QO but I for one can still see it happening.....Could probably say the same should they decide to go after Russell Martin who is gonna cost a pretty penny as well. 1 of those 2 guys alone is gonna cost 12-20M. Even without those guys it's plausible but everything would have to go right and they hit on a SP, 2 bullpen arms, a LFer, and a DH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 11:59 AM) I actually agree with you guys on this, if the White Sox find the right fits, they could absolutely justify adding $40 million or so to the payroll, but the key is going to be getting something done successfully via trade first because $40 million spent solely in FA doesn't make this team a contender unless someone over-performs. Exactly. I think, for the Sox to make this team a contender it will take a combination of smart trades as well as one or two key signings in FA but the Sox cannot afford to do only one or the other. They don't have the farm for trades only and trying to fill all the holes through FA is insanely costly and still does not guarantee contention as the Yankees have proven. If the Sox were to add something like 40M+ this off season, it would put the payroll somewhere around, what, 100-110M? That's not unreasonable for a team that had a 128M payroll just a few years ago. If I remember right, Rock said the Sox are ready to spend for the right players so I'll wait and see what Hahn comes up with. Seeing as how the off season just got started, its too early to dismiss any possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 1, 2014 -> 01:27 PM) Exactly. I think, for the Sox to make this team a contender it will take a combination of smart trades as well as one or two key signings in FA but the Sox cannot afford to do only one or the other. They don't have the farm for trades only and trying to fill all the holes through FA is insanely costly and still does not guarantee contention as the Yankees have proven. If the Sox were to add something like 40M+ this off season, it would put the payroll somewhere around, what, 100-110M? That's not unreasonable for a team that had a 128M payroll just a few years ago. If I remember right, Rock said the Sox are ready to spend for the right players so I'll wait and see what Hahn comes up with. Seeing as how the off season just got started, its too early to dismiss any possibilities. A $40 million payroll boost takes us pretty darn close to $100 million, maybe a tiny bit over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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