MLB Rumors predicts Sox sign

[shysocks]

That Cabrera contract is going to go down with the 2nd Arod deal as one of the worst in baseball history.

Especially when you think about when they actually signed the extension.

[QuickJones81]

For the pen I would stear clear of big money relievers. Build a pen from the minors and dumpster dive for failed SP prospects that had stamina issues or problems developing a 3rd pitch. I feel like good pens are rarely built through big money deals, and conversely big money on relievers tends to lead to regret.

[shakes]

For those speculating about what it will take to sign V. Martinez, it might be interesting to note what some of the other great hitters are going to be getting paid in their late 30's, and beyond:

 

Age 36 -39

 

Albert Pujols 25M, 26M, 27M, 28M, Plus 29M at 40, 30M at 41

 

Robinson Cano 24M each year, plus 24M at 40

 

Miguel Cabrera 30M, 30M, 30M, 32M, plus 32M at 40 with vesting options for 32M for two more years if top 10 MVP

 

Given that Victor is the only really great left handed hitter in this year's free agent market, I would guess that it will take at least $20 million, per year for the first 3 years, with

something close to that for the 4TH.

I know that he is pretty much strictly a DH, but he is a switch hitter, and last year helps him make the case that he is aging well.

 

Please don't assume that any of this suggests that I'm advocating signing him to that kind of contract. I'm simply speculating about what it might take.

I think it will be closer to the Beltran contract last year, with maybe a 4th year vesting option. And I think that will be an overpay. It may go a bit higher because offense is continually getting scarcer, but it just doesn't fit into the Sox model. Those contracts are easier to eat for large market teams. Players can fall off a cliff at any moment in their late 30's. Think Konerko.

 

[southsider2k5]

You're kidding yourself if you think Sandoval's bat is only a slight upgrade over Conor.

 

Is he a $100 million upgrade?

[southsider2k5]

Especially when you think about when they actually signed the extension.

 

Exactly. Neither was actually necesary.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Is he a $100 million upgrade?

 

Is any player in the world a $100M upgrade? It doesn't even make sense to look at it like that. But again, I never said we should run out and throw a bunch of $ at Sandoval. I'm just stating that Conor Gillaspie shouldn't be an everyday player and not signing any player because you would have to move Gillaspie is just silly.

 

 

[southsider2k5]

Is any player in the world a $100M upgrade? It doesn't even make sense to look at it like that. But again, I never said we should run out and throw a bunch of $ at Sandoval. I'm just stating that Conor Gillaspie shouldn't be an everyday player and not signing any player because you would have to move Gillaspie is just silly.

 

When a team has as limited of resources as the White Sox have, you look at every dollar like that. You have to optimize your spending, and not just spend blindly. Otherwise you end up like the Tigers with a $150 million team with huge holes in it.

[hogan873]

I didn't want to start a new thread, but the New York Post predicted where the top 30 free agents would go. Only Masterson would sign with the Sox at 2/$18 million.

 

Others that the Sox might be interested in:

- Martin to the Rangers 4/$60

- Sandoval to The Red Sox 5/$100

- Martinez stays with the Tigers 4/$60

- Headley stays with the Yankees 3/$48

- Aoki to the Rangers 3/$24

 

And the Cubs will sign both Scherzer and Lester for a 8/$200 and 6/$140, respectively.

[GGajewski18]

I didn't want to start a new thread, but the New York Post predicted where the top 30 free agents would go. Only Masterson would sign with the Sox at 2/$18 million.

 

Others that the Sox might be interested in:

- Martin to the Rangers 4/$60

- Sandoval to The Red Sox 5/$100

- Martinez stays with the Tigers 4/$60

- Headley stays with the Yankees 3/$48

- Aoki to the Rangers 3/$24

 

And the Cubs will sign both Scherzer and Lester for a 8/$200 and 6/$140, respectively.

 

I hope they do.

[southsider2k5]

I hope they do.

 

You and me both.

[GGajewski18]

What is the market for Hanley Ramirez? It seems like a lot of teams prefer Headley/Sandoval? Who's been suspected to be in the bidding other than SF and LAD? Maybe the Red Sox?

 

I think the big markets like Boston and the Dodgers are only in play for Hanley. But I would take him, his injury history does scare me a little bit. Just small nagging injuries he usually has.

[LDF]

I think the big markets like Boston and the Dodgers are only in play for Hanley. But I would take him, his injury history does scare me a little bit. Just small nagging injuries he usually has.

 

he will make a great dh. less injury risk.

[Eminor3rd]

What is the market for Hanley Ramirez? It seems like a lot of teams prefer Headley/Sandoval? Who's been suspected to be in the bidding other than SF and LAD? Maybe the Red Sox?

 

He also was apparently pissy about not playing SS in Miami before they dealt him, so many teams may be wary of dealing with moving him there.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Why all the no's to VMart? The guy is a pure hitter and is exactly what this lineup needs. A left handed (or switch hitting) bat to protect Abreu. I know he is 36 but all he will do is DH and maybe play 1st once in a while. 3 years of VMart at 36 will payoff better than 4 years of Dunn. VMart will still be producing when he is 39. Some guys are just pure hitters and he is one of them. Plus, we will hurt Detroit by taking him and who else on the market is a better bat than him?

When the Sox signed Dunn all anyone could find was maybe 1 person who objected to it. Then there's how Dunn performed. So it's basically Dunnitis. The donkey kicked them and they're afraid to get anywhere close to it now. Also the Sox are a limited resources team so it's likely that VMart's AAV will be a record for a Sox player. Most would rather see the money spread out. $15-20M could buy 1 starting pitcher and 1 reliever potentially or some other combination of questionable talent.

Edited November 4, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[caulfield12]

27. Brett Anderson, SP: The best gamble of the 2014 offseason is Anderson, still just 26 years old, still throwing hard from the left side despite myriad injuries. Because he’s coming off back surgery, he’s a bargain worth pursuing, big markets and small, for the significant upside. One of these years, he’s going to throw a full season, and when he does, his teammates will be thrilled they’re wearing the same uniform.

 

from yahoo.com/sports (Jeff Passan, Free Agent Tracker)

 

 

Of course, that leaves the left-handedness issue again...but if they could somehow trade Danks for Ethier (just an example), that would upgrade LF (although I'm still concerned Ethier is strictly a platoon guy at this stage) and exchange Danks for Anderson, you MIGHT just have something.

 

Sale

Quintana

Anderson

Noesi

Bassitt (loser to bullpen)

 

[LDF]

When the Sox signed Dunn all anyone could find was maybe 1 person who objected to it.

Then there's how Dunn performed. So it's basically Dunnitis. The donkey kicked them and

they're afraid to get anywhere close to it now. Also the Sox are a limited resources team

so it's likely that VMart's AAV will be a record for a Sox player. Most would rather see the

money spread out. $15-20M could buy 1 starting pitcher and 1 reliever potentially or some

other combination of questionable talent.

 

you are way off base with this bolded statement. just b/c some doesn't agree with

you, don't assume its anything more than looking for other options. I for one is

looking for the best move, not the move that throws excessive money around. yeah

so this is JR's money, but its a team that I like to follow. there are holes that needs

to be filled.

 

so some don't agree with you, does that mean you need to act soooo superior and

demeaning b/c you are the only one who thinks he has all the answers!

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

you are way off base with this bolded statement. just b/c some doesn't agree with

you, don't assume its anything more than looking for other options. I for one is

looking for the best move, not the move that throws excessive money around. yeah

so this is JR's money, but its a team that I like to follow. there are holes that needs

to be filled.

 

so some don't agree with you, does that mean you need to act soooo superior and

demeaning b/c you are the only one who thinks he has all the answers!

I've seen Dunn's name thrown in with quite a few posts when talking about VMart , not the vast majority of them of course but it is a factor just as the other things I listed are factors also. So it is not demeaning or superior when I see it with my own eyes as evidence. I think I was very fair with my OVERALL assessment.

Edited November 5, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[LDF]

I've seen Dunn's name thrown in with quite a few posts when talking about VMart , not the vast majority of them of course but it is a factor just as the other things I listed are factors also. So it is not demeaning or superior when I see it with my own eyes as evidence.

 

you are keying on 1 item. that is Dunn. I am not saying nothing of that.

what I am saying is how you are replying to those who don't necessarily

agree with your opinions.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

you are keying on 1 item. that is Dunn. I am not saying nothing of that.

what I am saying is how you are replying to those who don't necessarily

agree with your opinions.

No you are keying on 1 item which is my Dunnitis comment . I listed other factors. . Again I have many posts in the VMart thread I started and not one person has taken offense to anything I have said while disagreeing with many of them. I could be wrong about VMart , I could be right. Time will tell. See this sentence " MOST (meaning most of the people who disagree with me ) would rather see the money spread out."

Edited November 5, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

27. Brett Anderson, SP: The best gamble of the 2014 offseason is Anderson, still just 26 years old, still throwing hard from the left side despite myriad injuries. Because he’s coming off back surgery, he’s a bargain worth pursuing, big markets and small, for the significant upside. One of these years, he’s going to throw a full season, and when he does, his teammates will be thrilled they’re wearing the same uniform.

 

from yahoo.com/sports (Jeff Passan, Free Agent Tracker)

 

 

Of course, that leaves the left-handedness issue again...but if they could somehow trade Danks for Ethier (just an example), that would upgrade LF (although I'm still concerned Ethier is strictly a platoon guy at this stage) and exchange Danks for Anderson, you MIGHT just have something.

 

Sale

Quintana

Anderson

Noesi

Bassitt (loser to bullpen)

“A lion does not lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.” That is what Brett Anderson said about the fans on twitter . Passan listed him as the 27th best free agent while MLBTR has him at 48. It is a very optimistic rating for someone who can't stay on the mound to save his life.

[LDF]

No you are keying on 1 item which is my Dunnitis comment . I listed other factors. . Again I have many posts in the VMart thread I started and not one person has taken offense to anything I have said while disagreeing with many of them. I could be wrong about VMart , I could be right. Time will tell. See this sentence " MOST (meaning most of the people who disagree with me ) would rather see the money spread out."

 

you are trying to spin this. this forum is for posters who agrees and

yes disagree with others. it is meant for to talk sox baseball and other

parts to talk in general. does everyone need to have the same opnion

no, but lets all see where this posters is coming from and his reasons.

who knows some may even learn something new. i am all for that.

 

but when you take some comments who don't agree with you, don't try

to spin it for something other than it was or is. a disagreement on what

you are saying. don't belittle with smart arse comebacks that is meant

anything but a put down..

 

i am done here and will respond no more on this subject.

 

peace.

[witesoxfan]

27. Brett Anderson, SP: The best gamble of the 2014 offseason is Anderson, still just 26 years old, still throwing hard from the left side despite myriad injuries. Because he’s coming off back surgery, he’s a bargain worth pursuing, big markets and small, for the significant upside. One of these years, he’s going to throw a full season, and when he does, his teammates will be thrilled they’re wearing the same uniform.

 

from yahoo.com/sports (Jeff Passan, Free Agent Tracker)

 

Couldn't we have said the same thing about Erik Bedard after he was traded to Seattle? "One of these years, he's going to throw a full season and prove to all of us that it was worth it."

 

Bedard's inning pitched starting with his first year in Seattle (2008): 81, 83, 129.1, 125.2, 151, 75.2

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...r01.shtml?redir

 

Erik Bedard never put up a full year and when he was finally sort of healthy enough to put almost a full season, he was no longer very good.

 

I just don't think Brett Anderson should be in the cards for the Sox unless it's as a late flyer in January and only if he's asked to be the 5th starter at the very most. We can talk about Carlos Gonzalez's injury history, but it's nothing compared to Anderson's.

[Balta1701]

Couldn't we have said the same thing about Erik Bedard after he was traded to Seattle? "One of these years, he's going to throw a full season and prove to all of us that it was worth it."

 

Bedard's inning pitched starting with his first year in Seattle (2008): 81, 83, 129.1, 125.2, 151, 75.2

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...r01.shtml?redir

 

Erik Bedard never put up a full year and when he was finally sort of healthy enough to put almost a full season, he was no longer very good.

 

I just don't think Brett Anderson should be in the cards for the Sox unless it's as a late flyer in January and only if he's asked to be the 5th starter at the very most. We can talk about Carlos Gonzalez's injury history, but it's nothing compared to Anderson's.

To be fair, Erik Bedard's price tag for Seattle was a whole lot higher than what we'd be giving up for brett anderson, and if Anderson was only able to give us the first 1/2 of the season he keeps the seat warm for Rodon.

[witesoxfan]

To be fair, Erik Bedard's price tag for Seattle was a whole lot higher than what we'd be giving up for brett anderson, and if Anderson was only able to give us the first 1/2 of the season he keeps the seat warm for Rodon.

 

Still, I was mostly contesting the idea that Anderson will put up a healthy season at some point. Nothing he's done thus far has shown he's capable of ever doing that. I also don't think you want Rodon to be someone who replaces a free agent you brought in. I think you count on him as being apart of the rotation and he replaces Bassitt (or Noesi or Danks or some free agent flyer).

 

I'm just not sure Anderson makes a lot of sense to the Sox as a starting pitcher. Maybe they can sign him to a lucrative contract and see if he has anything as a reliever.

[LDF]

Still, I was mostly contesting the idea that Anderson will put up a healthy season at some point. Nothing he's done thus far has shown he's capable of ever doing that. I also don't think you want Rodon to be someone who replaces a free agent you brought in. I think you count on him as being apart of the rotation and he replaces Bassitt (or Noesi or Danks or some free agent flyer).

 

I'm just not sure Anderson makes a lot of sense to the Sox as a starting pitcher. Maybe they can sign him to a lucrative contract and see if he has anything as a reliever.

 

 

you made a lot of good points. but getting Anderson with the idea that

let say a 1 yr to rebuild his value would be a nice option. the other

problems i have and it has nothing to do with your comment but about

Anderson is NEEDED to be healthy in the beginning of the season.

Edited November 6, 2014 by LDF