Victor Martinez Re-signs with Tigers

[Lillian]

I don't see any other viable option to fill the need for a left handed, middle of the order bat.

I'm now in favor of continuing to acquire young talent, and to target 2016 as the year to seriously contend.

 

Let's see what they have in Garcia, Rodon and a couple of the young middle infielders, maybe even Wilkins.

Then fill in the holes, in the next off season.

That would mean that Hahn looks to the international market, to spend some of that money, burning a hole in his pocket.

 

Might as well also trade Alexei, and get more youngsters.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see how they put a contending team on the field this year. Even if they spend and extra $40 million, over last year, whom

are they going to acquire, that would make them competitive for this season?

[Dick Allen]

In 2018 the Tigers will be on the hook for over $80 million for Verlander, Miggy, Victor and the cash they owe Texas.

[chw42]

I think the Tigers did OK in terms of the overall money. Yes, $17 million is a lot of money. Yes, V-Mart will never hit like he did last year again. Yes, he's old. But I doubt they care what's going to happen in years 3 of 4 of his contract. They know they're screwed anyhow and they're in it to win now.

 

I would have gladly taken Martinez at 3 years and $17 million per year and I didn't even want him since I thought he'd get something even crazier. I think we need to realize that while we need to be smart with how we spend our money, we also have to realize there's not that many players of Martinez's caliber you can sign or trade for. If we don't end up signing a big free agent, we'd just be wasting another year of Sale and Abreu in 2015.

[BlackSox13]

In 2018 the Tigers will be on the hook for over $80 million for Verlander, Miggy, Victor and the cash they owe Texas.

Wow! Its likely none of those three will be tradeable by then too. Detroit has a troubled road ahead.

[LittleHurt05]

The Tigers owe Verlander,Martinez and Cabrera 78 million in 2018. They got about 2-3 years before all hell breaks loose.

 

In 2018 they might be coming off their 7th consecutive AL Central crown, so you can't really say they haven't gotten their money's worth.

[chw42]

In 2018 they might be coming off their 7th consecutive AL Central crown, so you can't really say they haven't gotten their money's worth.

 

Exactly. It's nice to make fun of what might happen in 4 years, but we won't be laughing next year or two years from now if we don't make some big moves with our payroll flexibility.

[LDF]

I don't see any other viable option to fill the need for a left handed, middle of the order bat.

I'm now in favor of continuing to acquire young talent, and to target 2016 as the year to seriously contend.

 

Let's see what they have in Garcia, Rodon and a couple of the young middle infielders, maybe even Wilkins.

Then fill in the holes, in the next off season.

That would mean that Hahn looks to the international market, to spend some of that money, burning a hole in his pocket.

 

Might as well also trade Alexei, and get more youngsters.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see how they put a contending team on the field this year. Even if they spend and extra $40 million, over last year, whom

are they going to acquire, that would make them competitive for this season?

 

I think you start off with a grade A pitcher and then sign Melky Cabrera, sign 2 really good

relief pitchers.

[LDF]

Exactly. It's nice to make fun of what might happen in 4 years, but we won't be laughing next year or two years from now if we don't make some big moves with our payroll flexibility.

 

the sox do not have a choice but to make those moves now. the clock is

ticking on taking full advantage of the young great players the sox have.

 

but do not make moves for the sake of being able to. it has to be smart ones.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

We are getting six years of Abreu for the price of a 36-39 year old Victor Martinez. #WinHahn

That's not quite true is it ? After 2017 he can elect arbritration right ? So if he does that his salary can explode.

[LDF]

That's not quite true is it ? After 2017 he can elect arbritration right ? So if he does that his salary can explode.

 

that is why I am saying the sox clock is ticking.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

So anyway, he got a 4th year which I suspected would be the case all along. Knew the Sox chances of getting him were slim . So on to the signings of Melky (VMart-lite with defense) , Colby w/e relievers we end up with and stabs in the dark at finding another quality starter or bargain basement hope and a prayer starter. Might even get Butler and Aoki . Oh joy.

Edited November 13, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[caulfield12]

Haha, if you're trying to project a rotation, and one of the slots is "?????????", it's probably not a strong argument against the strength of said rotation.

 

 

In all fairness, that's a pretty decent description of the 3/4/5 spots in the current White Sox rotation, at least #5.

 

Obviously Rodon's expected to change that, but Noesi's no more a sure thing than Meyer or May with the Twins.

[LDF]

So anyway, he got a 4th year which I suspected would be the case all along. Knew the Sox chances of getting him were slim . So on to the signings of Melky (VMart-lite with defense) , Colby w/e relievers we end up with and stabs in the dark at finding another quality starter or bargain basement hope and a prayer starter. Might even get Butler and Aoki . Oh joy.

 

I am glad you brought up the little out in Jose A contract. part of me thinks that other reason

for the sox to have success is to make front end money to extend Jose A contract.

 

with that the smoke has the clear form the field to decide what to do next. I am sure there

are still some major trades that hasn't been finalize.

[LDF]

In all fairness, that's a pretty decent description of the 3/4/5 spots in the current White Sox rotation, at least #5.

 

Obviously Rodon's expected to change that, but Noesi's no more a sure thing than Meyer or May with the Twins.

 

there will be options that will show up. Rome was not built in a Day.

[caulfield12]

I don't see any other viable option to fill the need for a left handed, middle of the order bat.

I'm now in favor of continuing to acquire young talent, and to target 2016 as the year to seriously contend.

 

Let's see what they have in Garcia, Rodon and a couple of the young middle infielders, maybe even Wilkins.

Then fill in the holes, in the next off season.

That would mean that Hahn looks to the international market, to spend some of that money, burning a hole in his pocket.

 

Might as well also trade Alexei, and get more youngsters.

Sorry to be so negative, but I don't see how they put a contending team on the field this year. Even if they spend and extra $40 million, over last year, whom

are they going to acquire, that would make them competitive for this season?

 

 

The best fall-back option for a one year (or one year and an option) "placeholder" that provides upside (but could easily blow up) is Colby Rasmus in terms of LH bats.

 

Cabrera will probably be too expensive, and the PEDs history and "contract year" offensive salary drive has to be another concern.

 

 

If they miss on all their targets, they can STILL combine Rasmus, a Saunders/Viciedo trade, Eaton and Garcia and not blow their budget up before 2016.

 

Then a Brett Anderson, Masterson or Volquez (one year and option/s) for the rotation and adding to the bullpen (Romo or Janssen) and you're at least at .500 and one more offseason away, with a decent chance of competing in 2015.

Edited November 13, 2014 by caulfield12

[LDF]

The best fall-back option for a one year (or one year and an option) "placeholder" that provides upside (but could easily blow up) is Colby Rasmus in terms of LH bats.

 

Cabrera will probably be too expensive, and the PEDs history and "contract year" offensive salary drive has to be another concern.

 

 

If they miss on all their targets, they can STILL combine Rasmus, a Saunders/Viciedo trade, Eaton and Garcia and not blow their budget up before 2016.

 

Then a Brett Anderson, Masterson or Volquez (one year and option/s) for the rotation and adding to the bullpen (Romo or Janssen) and you're at least at .500 and one more offseason away, with a decent chance of competing in 2015.

 

that is the word I am saying options.

[southsider2k5]

Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien 43m43 minutes ago

 

Tigers will pay Martinez, Verlander and Cabrera $288 million in next 4 years, plus $24 million to Prince Fielder--and he's w/ Texas.

[Lillian]

A couple of points:

 

1) If Martinez signed for 4 years, $68 Million, with the Tigers, it would have cost the Sox more. Didn't he indicate that he really wanted to return to Detroit, if they were close on their offer?

 

2) The Sox do not need just another left handed bat. They specifically need a MIDDLE OF THE ORDER, left handed bat.

Therefore, names like Colby Rasmus do not qualify. Melky Cabrera, perhaps, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

All I know is i do not like the idea of Rasmus long term at a high price. I think he should benefit moving to grass and being in a new place but you don't know and I'd hate to go long term on him at pretty good money. Money is cheaper then we expect, sure, especially if we think he projects well in a corner spot with Eaton here but we also theoritically reduce his value a bit since part of his value is driven by above average defense. I do really like his age though and if you got him 4 years at like 32-36 or so I think I'd do it. I presume he's looking for closer to 4/48.

 

That said, I think there are pretty decent odds he ends up sitting and settling for 2 / 20 which doesn't really tie you up and allows you to fill a hole, help our defense, add a left handed bat (which has been above average in a good chunk of his early career) and that could end up being a very nice move. You just have to really do your homework on him and how he will fit in and how he will work once he gets that contract, etc (not that we would be talking about that massive of a raise from what he made this past year).

[Melissa1334]

A couple of points:

 

1) If Martinez signed for 4 years, $68 Million, with the Tigers, it would have cost the Sox more. Didn't he indicate that he really wanted to return to Detroit, if they were close on their offer?

 

2) The Sox do not need just another left handed bat. They specifically need a MIDDLE OF THE ORDER, left handed bat.

Therefore, names like Colby Rasmus do not qualify. Melky Cabrera, perhaps, but I'm not holding my breath.

Vmart really liked the idea of playing In Chicago and with abreu but yea would have taken at least 19mil from the sox and I agree, they need a big time bat to go behind abreu even someone like melky but not Lind or butler etc. but hey maybe Hahn surprises us with a trade. The wait is killing me lol

[caulfield12]

A couple of points:

 

1) If Martinez signed for 4 years, $68 Million, with the Tigers, it would have cost the Sox more. Didn't he indicate that he really wanted to return to Detroit, if they were close on their offer?

 

2) The Sox do not need just another left handed bat. They specifically need a MIDDLE OF THE ORDER, left handed bat.

Therefore, names like Colby Rasmus do not qualify. Melky Cabrera, perhaps, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

 

 

 

Then there's only LaRoche (and he has some questionable splits which will worsen with age), Melky Cabrera and Markakis, and Markakis isn't a middle of the order hitter, either. You absolutely don't pay Sandoval $100-120 million to be a DH, either. Maybe in 2-3 years of that 5-6 year deal, he would end up at DH, but he's not a true impact hitter (with the exception of the post-season) over the last 2-3 seasons.

 

Someone like Heyward, at this point in his career, isn't even that right now...although in the beginning it felt like he would be a 3-4-5 guy for 15 years.

Edited November 13, 2014 by caulfield12

[Balta1701]

Then there's only LaRoche (and he has some questionable splits which will worsen with age), Melky Cabrera and Markakis, and Markakis isn't a middle of the order hitter, either.

 

Someone like Heyward, at this point in his career, isn't that...even though in the beginning it felt like he would be a 3-4-5 guy for 15 years.

With as left-hand heavy as our lineup and org are, I'm not that worried about questionable splits. We've got a RH heavy lineup anyway, we've got 2 righties around as our middle infielders and they could certainly fill in the other side of a platoon. If we added a RH hitting OF to team with him, then basically I think we're set up to run out a deep roster that is pretty darn well balanced and it just requires Robin to actually use the guys in the right role.

[caulfield12]

With as left-hand heavy as our lineup and org are, I'm not that worried about questionable splits. We've got a RH heavy lineup anyway, we've got 2 righties around as our middle infielders and they could certainly fill in the other side of a platoon. If we added a RH hitting OF to team with him, then basically I think we're set up to run out a deep roster that is pretty darn well balanced and it just requires Robin to actually use the guys in the right role.

 

 

The biggest problem is that most of those RH bats aren't full-time outfielders and are more DH's...Torii Hunter, Michael Morse, Nelson Cruz, Billy Butler, etc.

 

We can't be sure about Yasmani Tomas, other than that the White Sox aren't going to risk $100 million for an unproven RH corner outfielder who's more Viciedo than Puig/Cespedes/Moncada/R.Castillo.

 

 

 

http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/282360051.html

 

 

If you go defense first for the outfield, then you have Rasmus, Rios...with arguments about Aoki and Denorfia. Not a pretty picture.

Edited November 13, 2014 by caulfield12

[Rooftop Shots]

Vmart really liked the idea of playing In Chicago and with abreu but yea would have taken at least 19mil from the sox and I agree, they need a big time bat to go behind abreu even someone like melky but not Lind or butler etc. but hey maybe Hahn surprises us with a trade. The wait is killing me lol

 

Will see what comes up. in all reality, drives me nuts all the Here-says of Scherzer, V-mart, Smardzija, Panda, Andrew Miller etc. EVERY year we hear of sox with the famous words "SHOWING INTEREST in some of the big boys... but trigger doesn't get pulled. Instead wind up taking the washed up leftovers or Others OUT OF THEIR PRIME in hoping they have a bounce back year. It still goes back to the year that KW was talking of REALLY doing something special of getting 3 players............ Turns out Tigers got Cabrera, Hunter and I forgot who the third player was that signed somewhere else. I can see the same happening this year. All the talk from Hahn and others about being AGGRESSIVE in the off season. Sox pockets cannot and will not compete with the big boys pockets except in the trade/sign rumor mill. will we get good players? probably. Top Notch ones that are proven to be clutch when so many others are pursuing them? probably not. except for Abreu....our history shows otherwise. So I think we can put te pipedreams away of Panda. Miller, Scherzer, Smardzjiza, etc.

[Dick Allen]

A couple of points:

 

1) If Martinez signed for 4 years, $68 Million, with the Tigers, it would have cost the Sox more. Didn't he indicate that he really wanted to return to Detroit, if they were close on their offer?

 

2) The Sox do not need just another left handed bat. They specifically need a MIDDLE OF THE ORDER, left handed bat.

Therefore, names like Colby Rasmus do not qualify. Melky Cabrera, perhaps, but I'm not holding my breath.

I agree and you were right on in regards to Victor's cost.