NorthSideSox72 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:27 AM) Some of her views I consider to not be dealing with reality. Seriously, stop it. You know the difference, you're just trying for the scorched earth equivalency here. Its beneath you. Remember me? I'm not some party-line voter. I'm not defending Schakowsky in the slightest, hell I just said I wanted to see a better opponent. So please drop the act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:31 AM) Seriously, stop it. You know the difference, you're just trying for the scorched earth equivalency here. Its beneath you. Remember me? I'm not some party-line voter. I'm not defending Schakowsky in the slightest, hell I just said I wanted to see a better opponent. So please drop the act. Not really, no. Honestly I spent most of the night trying to figure if she was actually being serious. She is a true wing nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:35 AM) Not really, no. Honestly I spent most of the night trying to figure if she was actually being serious. She is a true wing nut. Yeah, WING NUT. As in, her views are borderline socialist. I am 100% sure you don't put that in the same category as someone who thinks the weather changes because of teh geyzzzzzz. I mean really, just stop. You want to try to paint the picture that both of them are politically extreme but from opposite ends. No one is even contesting that. What is clear as day in this case is that in addition to being politically extreme, Aransas has no grasp on reality OUTSIDE the political world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:38 AM) Yeah, WING NUT. As in, her views are borderline socialist. I am 100% sure you don't put that in the same category as someone who thinks the weather changes because of teh geyzzzzzz. I mean really, just stop. You want to try to paint the picture that both of them are politically extreme but from opposite ends. No one is even contesting that. What is clear as day in this case is that in addition to being politically extreme, Aransas has no grasp on reality OUTSIDE the political world. Not as in "borderline socialist". She is an actual admitted Socialist. She advocated for completely unrealistic and failed realities. To you it isn't a big deal. To me, she has no grasp on reality or history. She might as well be viewing the world as flat and the sun revolving around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 08:31 AM) Why don't you get I voted stickers in Chicago? Would Rainer change that? Inform me. Ray Rayner????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 http://live.vox.com/midterm-elections-2014...try/63619/60000 15 cents a piece? Buying them for all voters? Mcdonalds hamburgers are less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 10:41 AM) Not as in "borderline socialist". She is an actual admitted Socialist. She advocated for completely unrealistic and failed realities. To you it isn't a big deal. To me, she has no grasp on reality or history. She might as well be viewing the world as flat and the sun revolving around it. And we're done. If you are going to conflate those things, then there is no political discussion to be had with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Some essential knowledge for tracking the returns tonight - http://election.princeton.edu/2014/11/02/l...ses/#more-12161 Final election results can vary across-the-board from midterm polls – in the same direction. This last-minute polling bias is typically 2-3 percentage points – five times larger than the bias in presidential years. The direction of the bias is unpredictable. http://election.princeton.edu/2014/10/31/h...-midterm-polls/ In current poll medians, six races are within less than 2 percentage points: Alaska, Colorado, Georgia, Iowa, Kansas, and North Carolina. Therefore all six of these races could be won by Republicans…or all six could be won by Democrats. On Election Night, I will be watching returns carefully for clues about how large Delta is. In particular, I’ll be watching Kentucky and New Hampshire. Even though both races have a clear favorite, they have the advantage that voting ends fairly early in the evening. If either party outperforms polls in these states, that might indicate a broader trend nationwide. ... Here is the order in which I will be watching races. All times are Eastern. 6:00-7:00pm: Kentucky polls close. Mitch McConnell ® has this race wrapped up, with a 6.0 ± 1.1% (median ± SEM) lead in opinion polls. If his actual lead is 8% or more, he is outperforming polls. If he wins by 4% or less, he is underperforming. The amount of over/underperformance is our first estimate of Delta. 7:00pm: New Hampshire, Florida, and Georgia. New Hampshire closes in most polling stations (some will stay open until 8:00pm). This small state counts fast. Currently, Jeanne Shaheen (D) leads Scott Brown ® by 3.0 ± 0.7% and will probably win. If she wins by 1% or less, Republicans are likely to outperform polls in other states as well. Of course, if she loses, that presages an evening of wins for Republicans. On the other hand, if she wins by 5% or more, that’s a good sign for Democrats in other states. Basically, expect the average of the polls to be off in the same direction for nearly all races. There's no telling what direction it will be, so you'll have a good grasp of the results across the board by watching how the returns differ from the polling averages. The more polling that occurred within a given area, the better here - lots of congressional districts and even some states (Alaska) aren't polled often or well so don't read into those results too terribly much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) She was directly quoted by the Daily Herald and also an LGBT online publication that she reached out to. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/19/s..._n_4993555.html How people like this even get nominated and are allowed to actually run is what's truly baffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 John Oliver had a good segment on the importance of the local state legislature races, and how no one gives a s***, resulting in some truly bats*** candidates/legislators. And sadly over 1000 such people will win their election because they are running unopposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Anyone got a recommendation for a fun writeIn? i've got 2 uncontested races, national house and state house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/video-...rat_818159.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 08:31 AM) Why don't you get I voted stickers in Chicago? Would Rainer change that? Inform me. DuPage has them, county thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 09:49 AM) I wonder if the Illinois GOP pick the most unwinnable seats and give them to Baar Topinka and Oberweis every two years. Keeps those two feeling important, keeps their money, prevents them from winning office. they both hold state-level office Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I still maintain that 3/4s of the races I voted on today should not even be democratically accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Anyone got a recommendation for a fun writeIn? i've got 2 uncontested races, national house and state house. greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 12:03 PM) How people like this even get nominated and are allowed to actually run is what's truly baffling. That's the main take-away on what I was talking about earlier. There have to be any number of Illinois Republicans who would be better candidates, but it seems no one wants to run. Maybe YOU should. QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 12:33 PM) John Oliver had a good segment on the importance of the local state legislature races, and how no one gives a s***, resulting in some truly bats*** candidates/legislators. And sadly over 1000 such people will win their election because they are running unopposed. Locals are key, and yeah, most people don't care. QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) I still maintain that 3/4s of the races I voted on today should not even be democratically accountable. That too. Judges? Water reclamation district? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 07:58 PM) That's the main take-away on what I was talking about earlier. There have to be any number of Illinois Republicans who would be better candidates, but it seems no one wants to run. Maybe YOU should. Locals are key, and yeah, most people don't care. That too. Judges? Water reclamation district? LOL I find myself reasonably informed. I have no idea what qualifies someone for those jobs, beside law degree and experience for a judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 12:33 PM) John Oliver had a good segment on the importance of the local state legislature races, and how no one gives a s***, resulting in some truly bats*** candidates/legislators. And sadly over 1000 such people will win their election because they are running unopposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 12:58 PM) That's the main take-away on what I was talking about earlier. There have to be any number of Illinois Republicans who would be better candidates, but it seems no one wants to run. Maybe YOU should. Locals are key, and yeah, most people don't care. That too. Judges? Water reclamation district? LOL I've actually considered it, but I don't want my family dragged into that arena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 If you're going to post John Oliver election rants, then at least post the best one ever: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/260mio/the-stupid-vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) I've actually considered it, but I don't want my family dragged into that arena. It's not an easy thing, even at the state level. That's partly why so few run, in either party. Think about the impacts: --Dragging your family and potentially others into the media spotlight to no fault of their own --Time demands are pretty huge, especially during campaign season --It is nearly impossible to keep up a "regular" job while serving --You are away from home and family a substantial part of the year --Even if you do your best to do the job well, you will be constantly criticized all over --You're forced into fundraising, which is something many people are not comfortable doing --You are pulled into the games That's a lot to take on, especially for people who are older and have families (and really, there aren't many 20-somethings who could make a legit run anyway). That's a hard choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I remember covering the school board election in columbia mo. 10 candidates, one dropped 30k, she won. I'd be happy to join the local school board/city council when I'm old and yelling at young college athletes for not living up to be a Missouri Man like in my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) Odd scene last night. Some 30 something kook in the bathroom stall area at Allen Fieldhouse was yelling at a guy. "You are going to vote tomorrow? Are you serious? In Douglas County? I hope you know you are wasting your time! Total waste of time. I hope you know that." And he kept railing at the guy, somewhat like he wanted a response so he could slug him. I don't know if the 2 knew each other or not. I almost said something to the asshole, like "Maybe he votes cause it's his civic duty; maybe cause it makes him feel good." But I figured the guy might hit me. Don't understand why an American is against voting. Again, he was a fairly young guy. It almost seemed like he wanted somebody to say something to him. Edited November 4, 2014 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2014 -> 02:44 PM) It's not an easy thing, even at the state level. That's partly why so few run, in either party. Think about the impacts: --Dragging your family and potentially others into the media spotlight to no fault of their own --Time demands are pretty huge, especially during campaign season --It is nearly impossible to keep up a "regular" job while serving --You are away from home and family a substantial part of the year --Even if you do your best to do the job well, you will be constantly criticized all over --You're forced into fundraising, which is something many people are not comfortable doing --You are pulled into the games That's a lot to take on, especially for people who are older and have families (and really, there aren't many 20-somethings who could make a legit run anyway). That's a hard choice. This is why we have to offer a decent salary to elected officials. This gig has to compare favorably with "regular" jobs or there's no way "regular" people can consider doing it. As for me, beyond not wanting to derail my career aspirations, I don't know that I'd ever be up to asking all kinds of people for money, over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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