TheFutureIsNear Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Gattis is more or less what we all hoped Flowers would be. A catcher who can post an .800 OPS and at least hold his own defensively. Would he be worth it to be a C/DH for us? From what I've read the Braves are pretty set on trading him and the price wouldn't be a ton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I like the idea but what do the Sox offer for Gattis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Hes really not a upgrade over flowers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I don't think he'd be that cheap. 20 homers, still pre arb (although getting in his late 20s - late bloomer I guess). Not sure he can catch 130 games. I think the Sox would have to pay for this guy. Anyway, I'd use the bullets for a LF who can hit and field if that exists and is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 07:08 PM) I like the idea but what do the Sox offer for Gattis? Not going to pretend like I have a clue what they are actually asking for, but a quick glance at their roster shows they aren't exactly set at 2B. I don't think La Stella is their future there. Wonder if Sanchez would get it done? Guess it would all depend on what kind of league interest there is in Gattis....don't know the answer to that either honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 We should go after jason heyward to improve our defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 07:12 PM) Hes really not a upgrade over flowers In what way is he not offensively? Defensively I can't really comment because I can't say I've seen Gattis catch many innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 We're fine with Flowers at catcher next year and Atlanta will want too much for him. pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 06:20 PM) In what way is he not offensively? Defensively I can't really comment because I can't say I've seen Gattis catch many innings. What about jason heyward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 06:19 PM) We should go after jason heyward to improve our defense. if only he were a FA....we have the money. Sox are in no position to rent, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 06:29 PM) if only he were a FA....we have the money. Sox are in no position to rent, however. We sign him to extensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 06:15 PM) Not going to pretend like I have a clue what they are actually asking for, but a quick glance at their roster shows they aren't exactly set at 2B. I don't think La Stella is their future there. Wonder if Sanchez would get it done? Guess it would all depend on what kind of league interest there is in Gattis....don't know the answer to that either honestly. I hear ya. I'm rather clueless myself. I'm thinking the Braves might be after pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 06:28 PM) What about jason heyward? Seriously, what about him? The thread is about the possibility of upgrading at catcher and you are talking about a right fielder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Gattis is under team control for four more years and has a great bat. He may not be long for catcher, but the Braves still won't give him away cheaply, I think they are looking for a very good return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Huge offensive addition, but there's lot of indications he's 1) not very good defensively and 2) most of his allure comes from his hitting, but when you move him to DH/LF then you lose a lot of his positive positive as we all know the average offensive numbers from the catching position have been on the decline for a decade. If you could CONFIDENTLY play him at 3B, then I'd consider it, but that's probably the equivalent of Viciedo or Teahen over there, at best. Then you're left deciding to pay a big-time free agent as your DH or give away a lot of talent to acquire an asset, which wouldn't make a lot of sense at this point in the rebuild...since we don't have a surplus of prospects unless you consider Sanchez to be one. Sanchez/Beck/Ravelo for Gattis would be laughed off the phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:52 PM) Huge offensive addition, but there's lot of indications he's 1) not very good defensively and 2) most of his allure comes from his hitting, but when you move him to DH/LF then you lose a lot of his positive positive as we all know the average offensive numbers from the catching position have been on the decline for a decade. If you could CONFIDENTLY play him at 3B, then I'd consider it, but that's probably the equivalent of Viciedo or Teahen over there, at best. Then you're left deciding to pay a big-time free agent as your DH or give away a lot of talent to acquire an asset, which wouldn't make a lot of sense at this point in the rebuild...since we don't have a surplus of prospects unless you consider Sanchez to be one. Sanchez/Beck/Ravelo for Gattis would be laughed off the phone. His .493 slugging% is only behind VMart, Cruz, and Ortiz among DHs last year, so while yes, his bat is more valuable as a DH it's not like he'd be a bad offensive DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:16 PM) His .493 slugging% is only behind VMart, Cruz, and Ortiz among DHs last year, so while yes, his bat is more valuable as a DH it's not like he'd be a bad offensive DH. Then you have the uncertainty of the NL transition to AL...McCann was a flop. That doesn't mean Gattis will automatically end up like Dunn or McCann or any number of other examples, but there's been a pretty consistent trend of reduced performance when switching leagues (especially the first year, NL to AL). Obviously, it didn't end up bothering Eaton too much, as a counterexample. Some players can adjust much more quickly. The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez. Edited November 7, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 09:20 PM) Then you have the uncertainty of the NL transition to AL...McCann was a flop. That doesn't mean Gattis will automatically end up like Dunn or McCann or any number of other examples, but there's been a pretty consistent trend of reduced performance when switching leagues (especially the first year, NL to AL). Obviously, it didn't end up bothering Eaton too much, as a counterexample. Some players can adjust much more quickly. The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez. Wow, you really think Tim Anderson would be in the discussion for Gattis?? Maybe I'm way off but I just don't see it. I just don't think his value is that high. I could see Semien/Micah, Beck, and a guy like May or Rondon being enough. Evin Gattis just isn't the type of guy who gets traded for top 100 prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:20 PM) The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez. No. While Gattis wouldn't be cheap it won't cost him either. Gattis is a good hitter, but he's not that great. He's just not what the Sox need anyway. Not good enough for DH; doesn't really man a position with defensive excellence either. It would be sort of like the Swisher trade, which was awful Edited November 7, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 As soon as Anderson's name was mentioned, that would be the end of the phone call and I'm willing to bet the Braves know that. Gattis would not cost Anderson, tho I admit I'm not sure what the cost would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:20 PM) Then you have the uncertainty of the NL transition to AL...McCann was a flop. That doesn't mean Gattis will automatically end up like Dunn or McCann or any number of other examples, but there's been a pretty consistent trend of reduced performance when switching leagues (especially the first year, NL to AL). Obviously, it didn't end up bothering Eaton too much, as a counterexample. Some players can adjust much more quickly. The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez. McCann was a flop, therefore Gattis will be also? Tim Anderson? You are all over the place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 09:20 PM) Then you have the uncertainty of the NL transition to AL...McCann was a flop. That doesn't mean Gattis will automatically end up like Dunn or McCann or any number of other examples, but there's been a pretty consistent trend of reduced performance when switching leagues (especially the first year, NL to AL). Obviously, it didn't end up bothering Eaton too much, as a counterexample. Some players can adjust much more quickly. The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez. What is with you wanting to give up Anderson for mediocre MLB players? Today it's Gattis, a couple days ago it was Blackmon. Anderson is not a piece you move unless you are getting back a franchise changing player. Lock it up man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Anyone know why he got only 400 PA's last year? Being platooned or injury or defense or something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 07:58 AM) Anyone know why he got only 400 PA's last year? Being platooned or injury or defense or something else? He went on the DL in July with a bulging disk in his back and missed about 3 weeks. He missed two weeks in September due to kidney stones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 09:12 AM) He went on the DL in July with a bulging disk in his back and missed about 3 weeks. He missed two weeks in September due to kidney stones. With him not exactly being a spring chicken in terms of age, this worries me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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