What about Evan Gattis?

[LDF]

He went on the DL in July with a bulging disk in his back and missed about 3 weeks.

He missed two weeks in September due to kidney stones.

 

oh crap, so much for him being able to be traded.

 

 

[2nd_city_saint787]

Worth noting Gattis had a somewhat Josh Hamilton-esque path to the big leagues where he dealt with a lot of issues.

 

Some have called him a late bloomer here and that's not really the case. From 2006-2010 he quit baseball, despite being viewed as a player who'd be picked in the top 10 rounds.

 

From what I've read he's certainly a changed man and I'd certainly welcome him here. Hell maybe even getting Gattis and Hamilton together might help both of em as they both have been through a lot of the same stuff.

[Bob Sacamano]

No way they deal Gattis. They have a catching prospect they want to move up and by creating room, they are likely to deal Heyward (let's get him!) or Upton as they are both free agents after this season. Gattis would then move back to the outfield where he can play more as opposed to being the catcher.

[BlackSox13]

Gattis + buldging disc = no thank you

 

 

[Kyyle23]

Worth noting Gattis had a somewhat Josh Hamilton-esque path to the big leagues where he dealt with a lot of issues.

 

Some have called him a late bloomer here and that's not really the case. From 2006-2010 he quit baseball, despite being viewed as a player who'd be picked in the top 10 rounds.

 

From what I've read he's certainly a changed man and I'd certainly welcome him here. Hell maybe even getting Gattis and Hamilton together might help both of em as they both have been through a lot of the same stuff.

 

Im not really down with sticking two players with high profile substance abuse issues in the same locker room. Especially considering Hamilton seems to relapse here and there

[2nd_city_saint787]

Im not really down with sticking two players with high profile substance abuse issues in the same locker room. Especially considering Hamilton seems to relapse here and there

 

The potential is there for it to get bad, but it could also be a good thing. Hamilton seemed to be fine in Texas with Washington. That could of course be irrelevant or coincidental, and I could also be missing something, but I'd think having a guy who's been there around would be helpful.

 

But ya, I can't deny the risk.

[Kyyle23]

The potential is there for it to get bad, but it could also be a good thing. Hamilton seemed to be fine in Texas with Washington. That could of course be irrelevant or coincidental, and I could also be missing something, but I'd think having a guy who's been there around would be helpful.

 

But ya, I can't deny the risk.

 

Pretty sure he had two relapses in texas. I remember one specifically where he was photographed taking shots off of some girl and Kinsler had to go get him

[caulfield12]

McCann was a flop, therefore Gattis will be also? Tim Anderson? You are all over the place

 

Gattis, as mentioned above, would have had the fourth best dh performance in the al.

 

The Braves will look to trade Heyward and upton as both will be lost as free agents.

 

The Braves like evan's bat ... And prefer another catcher defensively. They also feel his bat will play even bigger not having to catch regularly.

 

 

You tell me who the white sox would have to give up for a proven young cost-controlled player if it's not Anderson?

 

 

 

 

[GreenSox]

Gattis, as mentioned above, would have had the fourth best dh performance in the al.

 

The Braves will look to trade Heyward and upton as both will be lost as free agents.

 

The Braves like evan's bat ... And prefer another catcher defensively. They also feel his bat will play even bigger not having to catch regularly.

 

 

You tell me who the white sox would have to give up for a proven young cost-controlled player if it's not Anderson?

You may be right and that's why you shouldn't trade top prospects for average or slightly above average, proven bats. (Hello nick swisher). You trade Anderson et al for a cost controlled stud.

Edited November 8, 2014 by GreenSox

[TheFutureIsNear]

Gattis, as mentioned above, would have had the fourth best dh performance in the al.

 

The Braves will look to trade Heyward and upton as both will be lost as free agents.

 

The Braves like evan's bat ... And prefer another catcher defensively. They also feel his bat will play even bigger not having to catch regularly.

 

 

You tell me who the white sox would have to give up for a proven young cost-controlled player if it's not Anderson?

 

From what I've read the Braves don't think Gattis can hack it in the OF and therefore are stuck in between a rock and a hard place with him. Gattis played 47 games in LF in 2013 and was worse than Viciedo is pretty much every metric. Not good. Maybe his value is being slightly understated, but I still don' t think Anderson would be in play.

[Kyyle23]

Gattis, as mentioned above, would have had the fourth best dh performance in the al.

 

The Braves will look to trade Heyward and upton as both will be lost as free agents.

 

The Braves like evan's bat ... And prefer another catcher defensively. They also feel his bat will play even bigger not having to catch regularly.

 

 

You tell me who the white sox would have to give up for a proven young cost-controlled player if it's not Anderson?

 

Why don't you tell me why Anderson is the only player you feel will be traded for anyone. Because he is your default prospect in any trade right now

 

Gattis is he is a man without a position on that team. Trading a promising prospect like Anderson isn't a great idea

[Chicago White Sox]

Why don't you tell me why Anderson is the only player you feel will be traded for anyone. Because he is your default prospect in any trade right now

Because Caulfield is on one of his negativity streaks and needs Anderson to the centerpiece of a horrible trade to fit his narrative.

[caulfield12]

Because it's boring to read over and over again how packaging Sanchez, Beck and Ravelo will lead to the acquisition of nearly every player in baseball...or Tyler Danish for that matter.

 

If there are two polar opposites, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle.

 

Which means giving up Montas and/or Hawkins.

 

It's not being negative to assume the Braves will ask for Tim Anderson. Who else would they ask for?

 

Dick Allen has been arguing for victor Martinez for days...is everyone negative that votes no?

 

 

I'm more than happy to trade for Gattis to dh catch and play outfield occasionally.

I'd probably give up Hawkins or Danish but I wouldn't trade Anderson or Montas.

 

So let's hear exactly who everyone would trade for Gattis?

I notice that question hasn't been answered.

 

 

 

[caulfield12]

Because Caulfield is on one of his negativity streaks and needs Anderson to the centerpiece of a horrible trade to fit his narrative.

 

Let's hear exactly who you would trade for Gattis.

 

Kyle hasn't answered that question either.

 

Maybe there's a belief we are fine with Tyler Flowers and Kendrys morales next year.

 

[Eminor3rd]

People often mistakenly assume that leverage is based on the position of the seller. It isn't -- it's based on the position of the buyer(s). No matter how badly the Braves want to move him, it only takes two buyers to create a bidding war, and all of a sudden the price to acquire him becomes the highest bid.

 

I think caulfield is right that Gattis will be more valuable than we think. I don't think it would cost Anderson, though. To me, Hawkins as a centerpiece feels about right.

[Kyyle23]

I don't necessarily want Gattis to be honest. I just think your assessment of Gattis's value in Sox prospects is excessive. Sorry that the other options bore you though, if they may be more realistic. There are more than just 6 prospects in the Sox system

[caulfield12]

I don't necessarily want Gattis to be honest. I just think your assessment of Gattis's value in Sox prospects is excessive. Sorry that the other options bore you though, if they may be more realistic. There are more than just 6 prospects in the Sox system

 

If avy Garcia had put up his last two seasons in another organization, how much would you be willing to give up to acquire him now?

 

The reason I ask is because you can make an argument that Gattis has even more value because 1) his bat is more proven and 2) he can give you at least 80-100 games at catcher in an era when offense is virtually non-existent from that position.

 

Finally I don't think the Braves are willing to take Hawkins until he has success for at least three months in Birmingham. By that point the white sox might decide the calculus of risk for trading him is too high.

Edited November 8, 2014 by caulfield12

[TheFutureIsNear]

Because it's boring to read over and over again how packaging Sanchez, Beck and Ravelo will lead to the acquisition of nearly every player in baseball...or Tyler Danish for that matter.

 

If there are two polar opposites, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle.

 

Which means giving up Montas and/or Hawkins.

 

It's not being negative to assume the Braves will ask for Tim Anderson. Who else would they ask for?

 

Dick Allen has been arguing for victor Martinez for days...is everyone negative that votes no?

 

 

I'm more than happy to trade for Gattis to dh catch and play outfield occasionally.

I'd probably give up Hawkins or Danish but I wouldn't trade Anderson or Montas.

 

So let's hear exactly who everyone would trade for Gattis?

I notice that question hasn't been answered.

 

Semien/Micah (whichever one our organization thinks is less likely to start), any minors pitcher the Braves want not named Danish, Montas, Adams, or Rodon, and a maybe a high upside guy like May or Michalczewski.

 

So let's just say Micah, Bassit, and May for Gattis. Sounds like a good deal to me.

 

[caulfield12]

Semien/Micah (whichever one our organization thinks is less likely to start), any minors pitcher the Braves want not named Danish, Montas, Adams, or Rodon, and a maybe a high upside guy like May or Michalczewski.

 

So let's just say Micah, Bassit, and May for Gattis. Sounds like a good deal to me.

 

May has no value to the Braves.

 

Bassit would be the third piece...a possible Santana replacement.

 

Micah and Hawkins and bassit gets it done, but the white sox are high on Johnson as their future 2b.

[GreenSox]

If avy Garcia had put up his last two seasons in another organization, how much would you be willing to give up to acquire him now?

 

The reason I ask is because you can make an argument that Gattis has even more value because 1) his bat is more proven and 2) he can give you at least 80-100 games at catcher in an era when offense is virtually non-existent from that position.

 

Finally I don't think the Braves are willing to take Hawkins until he has success for at least three months in Birmingham. By that point the white sox might decide the calculus of risk for trading him is too high.

First, let me say that Gattis is NOT the player the Sox need, imo. He is bad defensively, doesn't walk, high K. A better Viciedo. Sox need athletes.

That said, what is his value?

Let's look at the Mark Trumbo trade. They are similar players. High K, bad defensively, Trumbo has more power, Gattis delivers a similar OPS in other ways.

Arizona relinquished 2 former top (not elite) prospects, who had unsuccessful "cups of coffee" in the majors.

Now that trade was roundly derided as a severe overpay.

So 2 top prospects for GAttis? Forget it. A sox top 2 or 3? No.

Edited November 8, 2014 by GreenSox

[TheFutureIsNear]

May has no value to the Braves.

 

Bassit would be the third piece...a possible Santana replacement.

 

Micah and Hawkins and bassit gets it done, but the white sox are high on Johnson as their future 2b.

 

I'm glad you think your options are fact....even if you're the only 1. Micah and Hawkins is way too much.

 

[caulfield12]

I'm glad you think your options are fact....even if you're the only 1. Micah and Hawkins is way too much.

 

Micah Johnson doesn't have as much value as assumed if he can't play 2b at mlb average or keep his hamstrings at 100%.

 

In order to play to potential means utilizing his plus speed, so he's going to have to steal 40-60 bases per year and that means a lot of wear and tear on his body. He's already had the throwing problems, which may or may not have been fully rectified.

[TheFutureIsNear]

Micah Johnson doesn't have as much value as assumed if he can't play 2b at mlb average or keep his hamstrings at 100%.

 

In order to play to potential means utilizing his plus speed, so he's going to have to steal 40-60 bases per year and that means a lot of wear and tear on his body. He's already had the throwing problems, which may or may not have been fully rectified.

 

Again, what are you basing this on? Micah has plenty of value. The braves neither have a 2B or a leadoff hitter. They would love to get a guy like Micah. And then you add in a young mlb ready arm with a legitimate fastball in Bassit and the Braves would have to have real interest. If you think there is going to be a bunch of teams willing to give up 2 mlb ready prospects for Gattis you are seriously overestimating his value.

[Jerksticks]

Again, what are you basing this on? Micah has plenty of value. The braves neither have a 2B or a leadoff hitter. They would love to get a guy like Micah. And then you add in a young mlb ready arm with a legitimate fastball in Bassit and the Braves would have to have real interest. If you think there is going to be a bunch of teams willing to give up 2 mlb ready prospects for Gattis you are seriously overestimating his value.

Just use those guys for Heyward wtf

[TheFutureIsNear]

Just use those guys for Heyward wtf

 

Heyward has a lot more value than Evan Gattis. I can see that package including Micah, Hawkins, and possibly Danish or Montas. Too rich for my blood. Jason Heyward isn't making this team a championship contender.