GreenSox Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 12:30 PM) Signing him as a free agent still means we are giving up a prospect to get him. There is a pretty good chance our 1st pick is unprotected next year, and he will get a qualifying offer for sure. Yes, for FOUR or so YEARS of his services. Not ONE season. Big difference. And most draft choices, other than the top 5 or so, aren't top prospects yet. Lesser value. And did someone actually suggest Rodon? None of Rodon, Danish, Anderson or Montas should be anywhere near a Shark trade. Beane made a bad trade, as subsequent trades last year proved. Did 1.5 years of Price yield a top prospect? No But for some reason we need to give one for 1 year of the inferior Shark. Edited November 9, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 01:49 PM) He's actually gotten progressively worse every single year since then, with last year being hands down his worst season, both offensively and defensively. He shouldn't even be offered arbitration with how bad he performed last year. And 2012 was not a successful season either. They won 85 games, which was where Cleveland finished last year, well outside of the playoffs. Like you just said, selling out the entire minor leagues in order to get to 85 wins isn't a very good move.They also only got to that point through quality defense...which as we all have seen has absolutely vanished with this team the subsequent 2 years. So they didn't contend in 2012 with Tank in LF in 2012? Steamer has him at about 2012 level overall in 2015. Edited November 9, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 02:55 PM) None of Rodon, Danish, Anderson or Montas should be anywhere near a Shark trade. Then there's absolutely no reason for Beane to deal him to us whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) What I don't understand is people still rip KW for gutting the farm system when he traded forgetble players for productive ones, now they want to trade the prospects they have been raving about for perhaps one yer of Heyward or Samardjia. What I don't understand is people who complain about the team bargain shopping, yet don't want to bring in front line talent when it is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 12:39 PM) I wouldn't give up rodon no way rodon going be better then shark. No way Rodon is better than Smarj? I don't know about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 12:29 PM) You could use Google to find a facepalm picture. But you seem to have issues using a search function. ^This guy's always on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) What I don't understand is people who complain about the team bargain shopping, yet don't want to bring in front line talent when it is there. Because it is an outrageously poor use of resources for a 73 team, one with still a bottom 1/3 farm system at that, to pay premium prices to rent players for 1 year. In fact, this type of move is what CAUSES teams to become 73 win teams with bad farm systems (see Jackson, E. for our two top pitching prospects). My guess is the ones who hate bargain shopping are the ones who would love to load the wagon for one year of Shark. Somebody will throw a decent prospect at Oakland. But it won't be an elite one. And it will be a team that plans on contending that has a deep farm (like Boston). And what is with this love for the Shark? Heck, sign Shields. Edited November 9, 2014 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) My guess is the ones who hate bargain shopping are the ones who would love to load the wagon for one year of Shark. He was replying to a person who regularly complains about how bargain shopping is a waste of money and who complained about people wanting to trade for this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) What I don't understand is people who complain about the team bargain shopping, yet don't want to bring in front line talent when it is there. I want the team to bring in front line talent. I never said otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) No way Rodon is better than Smarj? I don't know about that. In all fairness he did say "going to be". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I would think if the Sox actually traded for this dope, Alexei would be part of the package. Oakland needs a SS real bad for 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 08:45 PM) I would think if the Sox actually traded for this dope, Alexei would be part of the package. Oakland needs a SS real bad for 2015. there is way too many variables involve esp if he doesn't sign on the dotted line. there are other options avail, fa's where it would only cost a pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 02:45 PM) I would think if the Sox actually traded for this dope, Alexei would be part of the package. Oakland needs a SS real bad for 2015. I wouldn't trade alexei for that bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) No way Rodon is better than Smarj? I don't know about that. Its very possible rodon better then shark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 04:51 PM) Its very possible rodon better then shark. But it's virtually impossible that Rodon would outpitch Samardzija this year in a 200+ inning season. If you're all in on 2015, Rodon isn't a middle of the rotation option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) But it's virtually impossible that Rodon would outpitch Samardzija this year in a 200+ inning season. If you're all in on 2015, Rodon isn't a middle of the rotation option. Im not giving up Alexei for shark or top prospect I rather get johnny cueto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 09:51 PM) Its very possible rodon better then shark. not now nor in 2015 season. maybe 2016 but who is a soothsayer who can see the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) But it's virtually impossible that Rodon would outpitch Samardzija this year in a 200+ inning season. If you're all in on 2015, Rodon isn't a middle of the rotation option. Where is this all-in talk coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 03:54 PM) But it's virtually impossible that Rodon would outpitch Samardzija this year in a 200+ inning season. If you're all in on 2015, Rodon isn't a middle of the rotation option. Where is this all-in talk coming from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I rather go after cueto or Edinson Volquez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 05:00 PM) Where is this all-in talk coming from? What else would you call trading for a guy like Samardzija? 1 year remaining on his deal, already traded by the Cubs since they didn't think he'd sign an extension, on a team that was a playoff caliber team last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (peavy44 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 05:46 PM) I wouldn't trade alexei for that bum. Since becoming a starter in 2012 he has the 23 highest WAR among SPs..What a bum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peavy44 Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Shark not that good of pitcher to me hes not worth 100 million dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 04:09 PM) Since becoming a starter in 2012 he has the 23 highest WAR among SPs..What a bum. You're saying only 22 pitchers have posted more than 9.5 WAR over the past three seasons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 Rick Hahn seems to do things that make sense. Trying to trade for Samardjiza doesn't make any sense. So I bet it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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