Rooftop Shots Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Not Chris Young the pitcher, Chris Young the outfielder. Quote me if I'm wrong but wasn't Chris Young the one who was once in our minor league system as one of KW untouchables until the deal with Vasquez came along.............and then all of a sudden became touchable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Morales? What value does a 1 WAR player have? Nothing. He "rebound" will be a 1.5 WAR season. Cameron is such a dumbass at times. Morales will be lucky to get 7 from a deperate Yankees after half their team gets hurt in spring, let alone 9 from Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 11:56 PM) Morales? What value does a 1 WAR player have? Nothing. He "rebound" will be a 1.5 WAR season. Cameron is such a dumbass at times. Morales will be lucky to get 7 from a deperate Yankees after half their team gets hurt in spring, let alone 9 from Chicago. I think WAR is the wrong stat to use when evaluating DHs. Given the huge decline in the offensive environment, I'm not sure the positional adjustment that's allocated to DHs is very accurate anymore. Furthermore, not all guys can handle the "sit on the bench outside of 5 ABs" that the DH role entails. The idea that you can plop any bat into the DH spot and they'll maintain their production isn't realistic IMO. Therefore, I think replacement level DH is different than just a replacement level hitter. Again, I'm not sure WAR accounts for all of this correctly. I'd much rather just look at an offensive-only stat like wRC+. I simply want the best hitter possible if I'm looking for a full-time DH, and preferably one that has proven they can handle the role. IMO, a guy like Victor Martinez is a lot more valuable than his WAR indicates. And quite frankly, that's why I'm willing to pay him $16M/year when I only expect him to be a 130 wRC+ hitter for most of his contract. WAR might imply that's an overpay, but I don't think finding that level of production is as easy as WAR would suggest. Edited November 8, 2014 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 01:08 PM) I haven't really been into baseball last couple of years as much as 2004 - 2010 but Rasmus never really impressed me during his time in St. Louis. Plus he's a head case off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (Knuckles @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 02:08 PM) I haven't really been into baseball last couple of years as much as 2004 - 2010 but Rasmus never really impressed me during his time in St. Louis. Finally! another one, game looks worse and worse with guys like Puig over Chipper, Konerko, Thome, Jeter, Mo, Youk, Manny, Alfonso, Bobby Abreu, Brian Roberts, Josh Beckett, Dunn, Putz, AJ, and Ibanez...gimme those days back, only a few guys left life Papelbon, Ortiz, Pedrioa, A-Rod unfortunately,miss the old game, baseball and MLB will slowly die if they can't bring that back, it's sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:07 AM) Finally! another one, game looks worse and worse with guys like Puig over Chipper, Konerko, Thome, Jeter, Mo, Youk, Manny, Alfonso, Bobby Abreu, Brian Roberts, Josh Beckett, Dunn, Putz, AJ, and Ibanez...gimme those days back, only a few guys left life Papelbon, Ortiz, Pedrioa, A-Rod unfortunately,miss the old game, baseball and MLB will slowly die if they can't bring that back, it's sad Many think Larry jones, youkilis, manny Ramirez and Beckett are jackasses. Aj isn't too popular outside of Chicago. Ortiz and arod....really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 09:13 AM) Many think Larry jones, youkilis, manny Ramirez and Beckett are jackasses. Aj isn't too popular outside of Chicago. Ortiz and arod....really? Jones and YOuk were pure class, much more exiciting time in baseball with Manny and Ortiz and AJ, that;s for sure, sorry Madison Bumgarner doesn't thrill me like Beckett did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Didn't Youk rub a lot of teammates the wrong way with his attitude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I expect us to miss out on V-Mart considering we're the f***in White Sox, which might be a good thing, don't wanna pay that a 37 year old, and grab Morales, other than that just grab me closer and some relief and I'll be happy, maybe some solid bench options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 09:18 AM) Didn't Youk rub a lot of teammates the wrong way with his attitude? Probably thinking of almost every other BoSox, not Youk, maybe Manny or Beckett or Lackey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 06:19 AM) I expect us to miss out on V-Mart considering we're the f***in White Sox, which might be a good thing, don't wanna pay that a 37 year old, and grab Morales, other than that just grab me closer and some relief and I'll be happy, maybe some solid bench options The more people object to Martinez the older he gets He won't be 36 until 12/23 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 09:26 AM) The more people object to Martinez the older he gets He won't be 36 until 12/23 . But he's looking for 3 years, i'll pass on Dunn 2.0 buddy boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:30 AM) But he's looking for 3 years, i'll pass on Dunn 2.0 buddy boy Dunn and Martinez might be the least comparable players in the history of baseball. They have age and position in common. Other than that, there isn't a thing about the way they play the game of baseball that is similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 12:07 PM) Dunn and Martinez might be the least comparable players in the history of baseball. They have age and position in common. Other than that, there isn't a thing about the way they play the game of baseball that is similar. Thank you for posting that comment. When I read it, I thought the very same thing. They are completely different types of hitters, and I much prefer the Martinez type to Dunn, even in Adam's prime, when he was hitting 40 homers every year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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