GGajewski18 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 The more I think about it, the more I want this kid on the Sox. He fills the lefty bat void that would fit nicely behind or in front of Abreu. Plus, he brings tremendous defense in right field. That mean's 2/3s of the OF would be solidified by a gold glover and a gold glove nominee. I then would sign him to a 6 year 90 million dollar contract. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 I think the Braves have to make him available for trade first. I'm not sure sure they'll be willing to do that. Plus, if you are signing him for 6 years, I'm not sure $90 mill would be enough. It might be, but I think he'd want a way out after 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 It would be easier to answer who doesn't want Heyward, and having him on a cheap long term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 06:43 PM) It would be easier to answer who doesn't want Heyward, and having him on a cheap long term deal. A much more realistic question is whether you'd be willing to trade some combination of "Basically everything in the system other than Rodon" for him and whether you'd be willing to sign him for something closer to a $150 million total deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 (edited) I would jizz my jeans getting Heyward but the reality is that if Atlanta put Heyward on the market, there would surely be other teams with more to offer come into play. The Sox farm just is not strong enough yet. Took me some time to realize that after Balta and I talked about Heyward three or four weeks ago. Edited November 7, 2014 by StRoostifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Yeah i'd love to have the kid, and I think the Sox could get him, but it would be emptying the farm for one year of a guy certain to go to FA. Doesn't really fit Hahn's MO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 05:35 PM) The more I think about it, the more I want this kid on the Sox. He fills the lefty bat void that would fit nicely behind or in front of Abreu. Plus, he brings tremendous defense in right field. That mean's 2/3s of the OF would be solidified by a gold glover and a gold glove nominee. I then would sign him to a 6 year 90 million dollar contract. Thoughts? He will be available next year. You are a year early 73 win teams don't trade for rents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 05:35 PM) The more I think about it, the more I want this kid on the Sox. He fills the lefty bat void that would fit nicely behind or in front of Abreu. Plus, he brings tremendous defense in right field. That mean's 2/3s of the OF would be solidified by a gold glover and a gold glove nominee. I then would sign him to a 6 year 90 million dollar contract. Thoughts? 6/$90M won't be nearly enough, probably more like 7/$140M or 8/$160. And honestly, I don't see why he'd sign an extension one year from free agency. As much as I'd love to have Heyward, he's going to cost too much in terms of prospects and money (if we can extend him), at least right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 06:35 PM) The more I think about it, the more I want this kid on the Sox. He fills the lefty bat void that would fit nicely behind or in front of Abreu. Plus, he brings tremendous defense in right field. That mean's 2/3s of the OF would be solidified by a gold glover and a gold glove nominee. I then would sign him to a 6 year 90 million dollar contract. Thoughts? I would love to see the Sox get this guy more than anyone thats been brought up. He's everything we're looking for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 11:19 PM) I disagree. Rodon (yes, as a PTNL), Anderson, Montas, Johnson and Danish are all prospects the Braves would be very interested in for Heyward. Hell, they might even do it straight up for Rodon or two of the latter. The problem is Heyward is a FA after the year and the Sox won't be willing to pay the price for him and rightfully so. They probably have enough to trade for a MLB star, but a significant trade probably sets back their farm system back down the ranks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 11:19 PM) I disagree. Rodon (yes, as a PTNL), Anderson, Montas, Johnson and Danish are all prospects the Braves would be very interested in for Heyward. Hell, they might even do it straight up for Rodon or two of the latter. The problem is Heyward is a FA after the year and the Sox won't be willing to pay the price for him and rightfully so. Guess I should clarify. The Sox farm is not strong enough to take a hit like that, IMO. I'm not going to get into what a potential cost for Heyward would be because none of us really know so there's no point seeing as how Heyward is not on the market anyway, as far as we know. Edited November 8, 2014 by StRoostifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 While renting Heyward would be a pure clown move, the Sox wouldn't have to give up Rodon, Anderson or Montas to do so. Please identify the top prospect Tampa received for David Price, a player with another year on his deal, in the extreme July sellers market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 12:33 PM) While renting Heyward would be a pure clown move, the Sox wouldn't have to give up Rodon, Anderson or Montas to do so. Please identify the top prospect Tampa received for David Price, a player with another year on his deal, in the extreme July sellers market. Smyly alone put up better numbers in the big leagues than price gave the Tigers. It would be like if the white sox traded Quintana and prospects for price. A lot of people would be saying the Rays got ripped off just based on reputation of the players involved. Maybe not the most knowledgeable ones but certainly the average fan. Edited November 8, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Money talks, and if the Sox trade for Heyward, and he's their main addition money wise, then the Sox should have a ton of money to throw at him to get him to extend. Yes, I get the whole giving up prospects and having to pay for him, but the way I look at is what if he was already being paid? Would you not trade for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 The more I think about it the more I too, would like a player with a HOF career path before age 25 on the Sox. Get it done Hahn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Smyly alone put up better numbers in the big leagues than price gave the Tigers. It would be like if the white sox traded Quintana and prospects for price. A lot of people would be saying the Rays got ripped off just based on reputation of the players involved. Maybe not the most knowledgeable ones but certainly the average fan. They also gave up Austin Jackson and a decent prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I think people are way overrating Heyward. Earlier in the year Atlanta was not very happy with him. He hit 11 HR's and had an OPS of .735. He plays stellar defense but guys with those numbers are not going to cost "the farm". He's a good player but he's no superstar or untouchable by any means. He's a career .262 hitter and has had 1 year with more than 20 HR's. He's definitely attainable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 05:11 PM) I think people are way overrating Heyward. Earlier in the year Atlanta was not very happy with him. He hit 11 HR's and had an OPS of .735. He plays stellar defense but guys with those numbers are not going to cost "the farm". He's a good player but he's no superstar or untouchable by any means. He's a career .262 hitter and has had 1 year with more than 20 HR's. He's definitely attainable. Me too. Good fielder and base runner. In addition to your comments, he doesn't knock in a lot or runs. I don't know his RISP stats but my recollection is that Braves put him at leadoff mid season just for that reason. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but Sox would not be getting Mr. Clutch. Still, He would make the Sox a better team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 05:06 PM) Me too. Good fielder and base runner. In addition to your comments, he doesn't knock in a lot or runs. I don't know his RISP stats but my recollection is that Braves put him at leadoff mid season just for that reason. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but Sox would not be getting Mr. Clutch. Still, He would make the Sox a better team. He has spent time over the past few seasons in the leadoff spot too though which would lead to less rbi opportunities in the nl. I think hitting in different spots in the order kind of changes your approach as well. Still before his prime too. Edited November 8, 2014 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 QUOTE (oldsox @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) Me too. Good fielder and base runner. In addition to your comments, he doesn't knock in a lot or runs. I don't know his RISP stats but my recollection is that Braves put him at leadoff mid season just for that reason. Doesn't make him a bad guy, but Sox would not be getting Mr. Clutch. Still, He would make the Sox a better team. .301/.388/.389 W/RISP last year. Slugging% is low but he doesn't look like a rally killer either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS · 32m 32 minutes ago teams are calling with trade interest in heyward, justin upton and gattis. #braves http://cbsprt.co/1EqXPXy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 For goodness sakes no rents. Foolishness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 05:37 PM) .301/.388/.389 W/RISP last year. Slugging% is low but he doesn't look like a rally killer either His walk rate is so solid and his defense is premium. Those facts alone make him my number #1 wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 05:11 PM) I think people are way overrating Heyward. Earlier in the year Atlanta was not very happy with him. He hit 11 HR's and had an OPS of .735. He plays stellar defense but guys with those numbers are not going to cost "the farm". He's a good player but he's no superstar or untouchable by any means. He's a career .262 hitter and has had 1 year with more than 20 HR's. He's definitely attainable. Age 26, elite defender, more than a standard deviation above average at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 11, 2014 -> 08:05 PM) Age 26, elite defender, more than a standard deviation above average at the plate. Enter another argument about WAR overvaluing players like Heyward or Alex Gordon with high walk rates and/or stellar defensive abilities/outfield arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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