Elvis Andrus

[rowand's rowdies]

Does Andrus make sense at all as a buy low? Small ball type of player, he and Eaton would make a nice 1-2 combo.

 

We can move Alexi in a trade or move him to 3b.

 

Elvis Andrus has a contract that is beyond awful. 8 years 120 million.

 

But what if...

 

We shipped Johnny Danks and his $28 million back home to Texas.

 

Gave up a couple mid tier prospects.

 

And got $X from Texas to cover some of his salary.

 

What's the magic #X for you?

 

I'd say if we rid ourselves of John Danks and his $28 million, we're at 8 years 92 million. Not to mention that eventually someone could take him off our hands with no money thrown in if he rebounds (then the Danks $ is all flush).

 

I'd need at least another $12 million thrown in, but at 8 years $80 million does Andrus interest anyone else? Or am I crazy.

 

I still would rather sign the Cuban SS Prospect with this $. So that's still a better option IMO. Just asking.

[cabiness42]

The Sox can get Andrus-like production from Sanchez or Semien, so I see no reason why Andrus should be considered as an option.

[BlackSox13]

Yeah, why do the Rangers a favor? They can have that contract, I'll gladly take two more years of Danks and with Alexei playing SS.

[flavum]

The Sox can get Andrus-like production from Sanchez or Semien, so I see no reason why Andrus should be considered as an option.

 

I was going to dispute that a little, but I didn't realize Andrus only has 20 career homers. I'll give him credit for being durable, but the Sox should have no interest in him.

[greg775]

So Andrus is another grossly overpaid guy? What's going to happen when every team except the truly low budget teams have 6-7 Andruses on the roster?

 

[witesoxfan]

So Andrus is another grossly overpaid guy? What's going to happen when every team except the truly low budget teams have 6-7 Andruses on the roster?

 

No, he's not grossly overpaid. He might be overpaid, but if I were a Rangers fan, I wouldn't be upset whatsoever with Andrus' contract or, at the very least, his AAV. He's being paid as an above average regular and that's exactly what he is, perhaps with a ceiling that's a bit higher.

 

As for the Sox acquiring him, no, I do not believe they should. Andrus is a pretty good player, but he doesn't fit what the Sox need at the current moment.

[GreenSox]

Good lord.

Have we given up already?

[Whisox05]

They were talking about andrus on mlb network last night. Said he didn't have a overall good year in 14. Came in with a bit more weight then usual and cost him defense and stealing bases. Funny thing they said was when Texas locked him up to the 8 year deal they were doing it in mind that when he was going to become a free agent the same year jeter retires so they didnt want him to turn around an leave to go to the yankees but now they are trying to get out of the contract lol

Edited November 12, 2014 by WhiteSoxLifer

[GreenSox]

He had a bad year in 13, 14 and he is woefully overpaid.

You have to pay this guy 15 mill per annum for another NINE years. that's a good deal?

 

[witesoxfan]

He had a bad year in 13, 14 and he is woefully overpaid.

You have to pay this guy 15 mill per annum for another NINE years. that's a good deal?

 

He is on a perfectly acceptable contract. He plays good defense and can hit a little bit. That's about about the going rate at this point for a player with Andrus' skill set.

 

Also, small thing, but it's only 8 years.

[greg775]

He is on a perfectly acceptable contract. He plays good defense and can hit a little bit. That's about about the going rate at this point for a player with Andrus' skill set.

 

Also, small thing, but it's only 8 years.

 

His contract is acceptable at 15 mill a year yet Soxtalk freaks out whenever we discuss acquiring guys who make a decent buck like that. Are the Sox different from all other teams? I say acquire Buehrle now and make Danks a reliever. And acquire some other guys as well.

[BlackSox13]

IMO, Andrus is not currently worth 15M per year but if he maintains his current production offensively/ defensively it won't be long before he is worth it. The FA market raises the pay scale every year. If Andrews could hit for .270-.280 average, hit 35+ 2B, steal 30+ bags and continue to play good defense, he's not only worth it but the Sox would be lucky to have him.

 

At first I thought the idea was kinda crazy but after thinking about it, its really not that crazy at all.

 

The Sox trade Alexei for a starting pitcher, replace Alexei with Andrus for the next 8 years, Danks will be gone creating a hole for Rodon to slide into. The Sox trade 24M+ in 2015 salary ( Alexei/ Danks) and take on 15M with Andrus which saves the Sox 9M but that does not include the salary of the pitcher Alexei is traded for. If its a guy like Montero from the Mets, he would cost 500k+ which brings the Sox saving to 8.4M+.

 

I don't know how realistic any of this is, but its the kind of creativity the Sox might need to go along with a few FA signings.

[chw42]

No, he's not grossly overpaid. He might be overpaid, but if I were a Rangers fan, I wouldn't be upset whatsoever with Andrus' contract or, at the very least, his AAV. He's being paid as an above average regular and that's exactly what he is, perhaps with a ceiling that's a bit higher.

 

As for the Sox acquiring him, no, I do not believe they should. Andrus is a pretty good player, but he doesn't fit what the Sox need at the current moment.

 

If he played like he did 2 years ago fine, but the past two seasons haven't been pretty for him at the plate.

[LDF]

IMO, Andrus is not currently worth 15M per year but if he maintains his current production offensively/ defensively it won't be long before he is worth it. The FA market raises the pay scale every year. If Andrews could hit for .270-.280 average, hit 35+ 2B, steal 30+ bags and continue to play good defense, he's not only worth it but the Sox would be lucky to have him.

 

At first I thought the idea was kinda crazy but after thinking about it, its really not that crazy at all.

 

The Sox trade Alexei for a starting pitcher, replace Alexei with Andrus for the next 8 years, Danks will be gone creating a hole for Rodon to slide into. The Sox trade 24M+ in 2015 salary ( Alexei/ Danks) and take on 15M with Andrus which saves the Sox 9M but that does not include the salary of the pitcher Alexei is traded for. If its a guy like Montero from the Mets, he would cost 500k+ which brings the Sox saving to 8.4M+.

 

I don't know how realistic any of this is, but its the kind of creativity the Sox might need to go along with a few FA signings.

 

I would like ask a little question, what should the sox do with Anderson???

[SoxAce]

If he played like he did 2 years ago fine, but the past two seasons haven't been pretty for him at the plate.

He is still only 26 though. Right around the age range Hahn wants (although the cost controlled part isn't even though he's signed for 8 more years) He is fun to watch defensively. Last year was not the norm for him. There's very few people who I consider better than Alexei defensively, but Andrus is one of them, minus last year. Now with all that said, if his power couldn't develop in a hitters paradise like the ballpark in Arlington, then he is what he is since age is all he's got left in that department. I'm meh all in all. I loved him as a prospect back in the day though.

Edited November 13, 2014 by SoxAce

[BlackSox13]

I would like ask a little question, what should the sox do with Anderson???

The Sox should not worry about Anderson until he is ready to make his Sox debut which is likely at least a year away.

 

As I've said before, when Anderson is ready, the Sox will find a spot for him. Anderson may not end up at SS anyway.

 

If Anderson does prove to be a SS, then slide Andrus over to second or possibly even third. As far as I'm concerned, second base is open until someone shows its their position. There will be no gimmies to Sanchez, Semien or Johnson.

 

 

 

 

[LDF]

The Sox should not worry about Anderson until he is ready to make his Sox debut which is likely at least a year away.

 

As I've said before, when Anderson is ready, the Sox will find a spot for him. Anderson may not end up at SS anyway.

 

If Anderson does prove to be a SS, then slide Andrus over to second or possibly even third. As far as I'm concerned, second base is open until someone shows its their position. There will be no gimmies to Sanchez, Semien or Johnson.

 

thanks.....

 

but I was being rhetorical..... in other words a smart arse. which it appears to fail.

 

oh well.

[witesoxfan]

His contract is acceptable at 15 mill a year yet Soxtalk freaks out whenever we discuss acquiring guys who make a decent buck like that. Are the Sox different from all other teams? I say acquire Buehrle now and make Danks a reliever. And acquire some other guys as well.

 

No, but the money has to match up greg. You want to bring in a #3-4 starter in Mark Buehrle. I love Mark Buehrle, but he's not going to put the Sox over the top and he's going to make $19 million this year. If the Sox have $50 million to spend, you just spent 40% of it on an area where you can find someone for 1/2 that price (or less) to fill that whole, and that player is a guy who could just as easily be gone or much worse in 2016. That is not a wise allocation of resources.

 

You don't bring in Elvis Andrus at $15 million a year not because he isn't worth it, but because the Sox don't have a need at SS. There are times where it would make sense for the White Sox to acquire Andrus but the chance that scenario does not arise is 99.9999%. Basic economic theory suggests that the highest bidder will buy the product given such limited supply. Consider the White Sox have Alexei Ramirez under contract for the next 2 years, a couple guys in Semien and Sanchez who can play the position, and two others in Anderson and Rondon who have much higher ceilings at the position, the Sox desire to acquire Elvis Andrus is entirely based what sort of competitive advantage he'd offer the White Sox. Frankly, that advantage is limited by Alexei Ramirez's presence right now, so it would really only make sense for the Sox to acquire him if they 1) traded Ramirez, 2) didn't believe Semien or Sanchez could handle it in the short term, 3) don't believe Anderson or Rondon can handle it long-term, 4) believe that Andrus will bounce back to his early career production both offensively and defensively, AND 5) believe that the cost (primarily the player(s) they'd have to give up) will be worth it. That is slim to none.

 

No one has any problem bringing in high priced players, but you don't just willy nilly bring in guys who are making a lot of money because they are supposedly good. They have to make sense. A couple guys that have been brought up are Carl Crawford and Andre Ethier with the Sox also including John Danks, but it's not ultimately clear if the Sox could make that move. The Sox have been connected with Pablo Sandoval, Victor Martinez, and Andrew Miller, all guys who will make a lot of money. There are several others too whom they'll kick the tires on. The Sox can spend a lot of money, but it has to make sense. You don't just spend money to spend money. That's how you end up paying Josh Hamilton $89 million over the final 3 years of his contract.

[LDF]

No, but the money has to match up greg. You want to bring in a #3-4 starter in Mark Buehrle. I love Mark Buehrle, but he's not going to put the Sox over the top and he's going to make $19 million this year. If the Sox have $50 million to spend, you just spent 40% of it on an area where you can find someone for 1/2 that price (or less) to fill that whole, and that player is a guy who could just as easily be gone or much worse in 2016. That is not a wise allocation of resources.

 

You don't bring in Elvis Andrus at $15 million a year not because he isn't worth it, but because the Sox don't have a need at SS. There are times where it would make sense for the White Sox to acquire Andrus but the chance that scenario does not arise is 99.9999%. Basic economic theory suggests that the highest bidder will buy the product given such limited supply. Consider the White Sox have Alexei Ramirez under contract for the next 2 years, a couple guys in Semien and Sanchez who can play the position, and two others in Anderson and Rondon who have much higher ceilings at the position, the Sox desire to acquire Elvis Andrus is entirely based what sort of competitive advantage he'd offer the White Sox. Frankly, that advantage is limited by Alexei Ramirez's presence right now, so it would really only make sense for the Sox to acquire him if they 1) traded Ramirez, 2) didn't believe Semien or Sanchez could handle it in the short term, 3) don't believe Anderson or Rondon can handle it long-term, 4) believe that Andrus will bounce back to his early career production both offensively and defensively, AND 5) believe that the cost (primarily the player(s) they'd have to give up) will be worth it. That is slim to none.

 

No one has any problem bringing in high priced players, but you don't just willy nilly bring in guys who are making a lot of money because they are supposedly good. They have to make sense. A couple guys that have been brought up are Carl Crawford and Andre Ethier with the Sox also including John Danks, but it's not ultimately clear if the Sox could make that move. The Sox have been connected with Pablo Sandoval, Victor Martinez, and Andrew Miller, all guys who will make a lot of money. There are several others too whom they'll kick the tires on. The Sox can spend a lot of money, but it has to make sense. You don't just spend money to spend money. That's how you end up paying Josh Hamilton $89 million over the final 3 years of his contract.

 

nice reading post and correct.

 

I would like to add team that falls in love with there players and feel the need to reward them

often puts that team in a position that they can't be moved.

 

~ like Phillies, with some pitchers and Howard

~ dodgers with their outfield

~ tor with Mark Buehrle

~ sox with Danks. (but that was an injury)

 

now getting Mark B whose contract is 19 mil this yr or dodgers adding another bad contract

or prospect to help out a trade is going to be the theme this offseason. how to entice a team

to take that contract.

 

Andrus is not worth the time for the sox unless Alexei is traded and / or they would add another

player to take on Elvis contract.

[Dick Allen]

No, but the money has to match up greg. You want to bring in a #3-4 starter in Mark Buehrle. I love Mark Buehrle, but he's not going to put the Sox over the top and he's going to make $19 million this year. If the Sox have $50 million to spend, you just spent 40% of it on an area where you can find someone for 1/2 that price (or less) to fill that whole, and that player is a guy who could just as easily be gone or much worse in 2016. That is not a wise allocation of resources.

 

You don't bring in Elvis Andrus at $15 million a year not because he isn't worth it, but because the Sox don't have a need at SS. There are times where it would make sense for the White Sox to acquire Andrus but the chance that scenario does not arise is 99.9999%. Basic economic theory suggests that the highest bidder will buy the product given such limited supply. Consider the White Sox have Alexei Ramirez under contract for the next 2 years, a couple guys in Semien and Sanchez who can play the position, and two others in Anderson and Rondon who have much higher ceilings at the position, the Sox desire to acquire Elvis Andrus is entirely based what sort of competitive advantage he'd offer the White Sox. Frankly, that advantage is limited by Alexei Ramirez's presence right now, so it would really only make sense for the Sox to acquire him if they 1) traded Ramirez, 2) didn't believe Semien or Sanchez could handle it in the short term, 3) don't believe Anderson or Rondon can handle it long-term, 4) believe that Andrus will bounce back to his early career production both offensively and defensively, AND 5) believe that the cost (primarily the player(s) they'd have to give up) will be worth it. That is slim to none.

 

No one has any problem bringing in high priced players, but you don't just willy nilly bring in guys who are making a lot of money because they are supposedly good. They have to make sense. A couple guys that have been brought up are Carl Crawford and Andre Ethier with the Sox also including John Danks, but it's not ultimately clear if the Sox could make that move. The Sox have been connected with Pablo Sandoval, Victor Martinez, and Andrew Miller, all guys who will make a lot of money. There are several others too whom they'll kick the tires on. The Sox can spend a lot of money, but it has to make sense. You don't just spend money to spend money. That's how you end up paying Josh Hamilton $89 million over the final 3 years of his contract.

I just find it odd that if Elvis Andrus can be considered worth his contract, why the Rangers, with all their money, would be gung ho to dump him, and the Yankees, who have a lot more revenue than the White Sox, want no part of it. 8 years and $120 million is a pretty big commitment for anyone.

 

Sure Andrus might improve offensively, and some may point that out. But he has 1000 more plate appearances in the major leagues than Gordon Beckham. His is older than Dayan Viciedo, so if those 2 are what they are, using the same criteria, Andrus is what he is.

 

While his glove is exceptional, trading for him IMO would definitely be spending money just to spend money.

[witesoxfan]

I just find it odd that if Elvis Andrus can be considered worth his contract, why the Rangers, with all their money, would be gung ho to dump him, and the Yankees, who have a lot more revenue than the White Sox, want no part of it. 8 years and $120 million is a pretty big commitment for anyone.

 

Sure Andrus might improve offensively, and some may point that out. But he has 1000 more plate appearances in the major leagues than Gordon Beckham. His is older than Dayan Viciedo, so if those 2 are what they are, using the same criteria, Andrus is what he is.

 

While his glove is exceptional, trading for him IMO would definitely be spending money just to spend money.

 

I think if they brought him in, as is, it would be. Like I said, if the Sox believe those 5 criteria I pointed out, then it would make sense to bring in Andrus. That is very unlikely (Alexei traded, no faith in Semien/Sanchez/Anderson/Rondon long-term, Andrus player cost is fair, they believe he will bounce back or improve offensively).

 

I highly doubt they ever even have a conversation with Texas based around Elvis Andrus.

[harfman77]

I wonder what it would take to get Profar at this point as he seems to be without a position unless they can unload Andrus. His value may be too low for the Rangers to consider trading him, but he is at least solid defensively and could provide some value with his bat if he can stay healthy.

[southsider2k5]

THat is a whole lot of money for a maybe.

[GreenSox]

The edge we have now is money to spend. Don't use it on a# 4 or Elvis Andrus for

goodness sake. You'd have to give up players anyway. While the FA market is thin there are still players out there. Go get Sandoval or someone