BlackSox13 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Was just reading about how the Pirates might non-tender Ike Davis and noticed how the Pirates have an abundance of outfielders. It seems the Pirates want to keep Snider but they have Lambo who profiles similar to Snider and about 6 months younger. Lefty bat with power and no place in the lineup since the Pirates already have McCutchen, Snider, Marte, Tabata and Harrison in the outfield with Alvarez platooning with Sanchez at 1B. I'm intrigued by the idea but not sure if Lambo is a guy that just needs an opportunity or the next Andy Wilkins. Just throwing his name out there to see what others might think. Here's a link to his career below.... http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/team/pla...l='ALL' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lillian Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 The Pirates also have Josh Bell waiting in the wings. He should be ready to join their crowded outfield soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 06:39 PM) The Pirates also have Josh Bell waiting in the wings. He should be ready to join their crowded outfield soon. Watching the AFL All Star game, they were talking about Bell and how he has been playing some first base lately. I could be mistaken, but that would be awesome for the Pirates Bell can make the transition to first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlSoxfan Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Lambo looks pretty good, wonder what he'd cost us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 06:39 PM) The Pirates also have Josh Bell waiting in the wings. He should be ready to join their crowded outfield soon. He also forgot to mention Polanco. Very crowded outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 17, 2014 Author Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (AlSoxfan @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 06:53 PM) Lambo looks pretty good, wonder what he'd cost us Not sure but if I had to guess, maybe Beck? QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 07:02 PM) He also forgot to mention Polanco. Very crowded outfield. Oh wow! Good call. Don't know how I missed that. Pirates seem like a good trade partner for the Sox depending on what the Pirates are looking for in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 07:27 PM) Not sure but if I had to guess, maybe Beck? Oh wow! Good call. Don't know how I missed that. Pirates seem like a good trade partner for the Sox depending on what the Pirates are looking for in return. I assume they want pitching/MI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 09:04 PM) I assume they want pitching/MI At least for now I think the pirates are pretty happy with their middle infield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Walker's very solid...when he's healthy. There were some concerns about whether their young SS Jordy Mercer would hold up over a full season, but he ended up being a better hitter than expected. Edited November 17, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Wow I guess I never considered how crowded that Pirates OF is. So our OF trade partners seem to be Pirates, Reds, and Rockies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 09:29 PM) Wow I guess I never considered how crowded that Pirates OF is. So our OF trade partners seem to be Pirates, Reds, and Rockies. And the Dodgers, of course. St. Louis was probably going to have to dump Bourjos, but now they might need to keep him. Edited November 17, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 10:21 PM) And the Dodgers, of course. St. Louis was probably going to have to dump Bourjos, but now they might need to keep him. But the Dodgers OF is all old and expensive, the Pirates are the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 10:21 PM) And the Dodgers, of course. St. Louis was probably going to have to dump Bourjos, but now they might need to keep him. Yeah, but a trade with the Dodgers and their expensive OF would probably be a lot harder to make than a Santiago-Eaton type deal for a team's extra AAA/MLB OF. If I were to trade for a Dodger OF, not necessarily for 2015 (unless he dominates spring), I would target Scott Schebler. The dude had 65 XBH last season (28 HR, 23 2B, 14 3B) in the AA-Southern League, which I believe it a pitcher's league. The power hitting lefthander just turned 24 and he's the Dodger's 3rd best OF prospect behind Pederson and Verdugo. I'm sure it won't take much to get him considering he's about 7th or 8th on their organizational OF depth chart. I'd like to throw him in to AAA Charlotte next season and see how he does. EDIT: I should also mentioned that from A+ to AA, he increased his walk rate, home runs, SLG%, and cut down his K rate. A 19% K-rate is pretty nice for a 28 HR guy. He hit .280. Then he played in the fall league that just ended and batted .310 with 5 HR in 23 games. Edited November 17, 2014 by Chilihead90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 01:43 AM) Yeah, but a trade with the Dodgers and their expensive OF would probably be a lot harder to make than a Santiago-Eaton type deal for a team's extra AAA/MLB OF. If I were to trade for a Dodger OF, not necessarily for 2015 (unless he dominates spring), I would target Scott Schebler. The dude had 65 XBH last season (28 HR, 23 2B, 14 3B) in the AA-Southern League, which I believe it a pitcher's league. The power hitting lefthander just turned 24 and he's the Dodger's 3rd best OF prospect behind Pederson and Verdugo. I'm sure it won't take much to get him considering he's about 7th or 8th on their organizational OF depth chart. I'd like to throw him in to AAA Charlotte next season and see how he does. EDIT: I should also mentioned that from A+ to AA, he increased his walk rate, home runs, SLG%, and cut down his K rate. A 19% K-rate is pretty nice for a 28 HR guy. He hit .280. Then he played in the fall league that just ended and batted .310 with 5 HR in 23 games. This is a good plan....if you aren't expecting to seriously compete next year. If JR/Hahn are really wanting to make a run next year they aren't going to make moves like this, but instead go after an expensive vet. Personally, I would be all for taking shots on guys like Lambo and Schebler and use 2015 as 1 last rebuilding year, but I guess we'll find out in the next few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 16, 2014 -> 10:43 PM) Yeah, but a trade with the Dodgers and their expensive OF would probably be a lot harder to make than a Santiago-Eaton type deal for a team's extra AAA/MLB OF. If I were to trade for a Dodger OF, not necessarily for 2015 (unless he dominates spring), I would target Scott Schebler. The dude had 65 XBH last season (28 HR, 23 2B, 14 3B) in the AA-Southern League, which I believe it a pitcher's league. The power hitting lefthander just turned 24 and he's the Dodger's 3rd best OF prospect behind Pederson and Verdugo. I'm sure it won't take much to get him considering he's about 7th or 8th on their organizational OF depth chart. I'd like to throw him in to AAA Charlotte next season and see how he does. EDIT: I should also mentioned that from A+ to AA, he increased his walk rate, home runs, SLG%, and cut down his K rate. A 19% K-rate is pretty nice for a 28 HR guy. He hit .280. Then he played in the fall league that just ended and batted .310 with 5 HR in 23 games. Good find on Schebler. Any idea how his defense plays since that should also be taken into consideration ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 03:31 PM) Good find on Schebler. Any idea how his defense plays since that should also be taken into consideration ? I hate to disappoint, but the dodger want to try to free up 2 spots in the outfield b/c of Pederson and Schebler. they already have him earmark for their OF of the future. this was already stated in a article about 2 weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Lambo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 08:31 AM) Good find on Schebler. Any idea how his defense plays since that should also be taken into consideration ? It sounds like he's not a great defender, and will be a LF full time. Has good speed though, so that will help his cause. Here is a quote from him about a month ago at the AFL. "I've been working on my arm the last year and a half, so hopefully, I can keep going with that," Schebler told Josh Jackson of MLB.com. "And defensive breaks. I've been working pretty hard on those. I went to instructs early to work on defense and hopefully, I'll get some payoffs from that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 10:07 AM) I hate to disappoint, but the dodger want to try to free up 2 spots in the outfield b/c of Pederson and Schebler. they already have him earmark for their OF of the future. this was already stated in a article about 2 weeks ago. Yeah, and moving 2 very expensive contracts is easier said than done. Their OF consists of..... Kemp, Crawford, Either, Puig, Van Slyke. Then Pederson and even though Verdugo is still a few years away from the majors, he's ranked higher on their prospect lists than Schebler. So that puts him 7th, maybe 8th on their organizational depth chart. I think if the Sox were offering a player they wanted, they would be willing to move him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I've mentioned Lambo a few times previously because Pirates have no room for him and you'd hope he could be had for relatively cheap. He was a right fielder who only started playing 1B in the past year because he was squeezed out of their OF. He was highly touted as a teenager and was pushed well ahead of his age-level from the beginning. Played age 20 season at AA. Had injury problems and then eventually, crushed AA and AAA at age 24 to the tune of 32 home runs. Since he's played most of his career in the OF you'd think he's at least serviceable (better than Viciedo). Will his minor league success translate to the majors? Who knows. But he was expected by a playoff team to potentially be their starting 1B going into 2014. His poor spring lead to their signing Ike Davis. He'd be in that competition again this year, if it weren't for Pedro Alvarez inability to play 3B. It's an Eaton-esque situation, aside from Lambo not having played much in MLB at all. Who would you rather have from the Pirates, Lambo or Snider? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 18, 2014 Author Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 04:53 PM) I've mentioned Lambo a few times previously because Pirates have no room for him and you'd hope he could be had for relatively cheap. He was a right fielder who only started playing 1B in the past year because he was squeezed out of their OF. He was highly touted as a teenager and was pushed well ahead of his age-level from the beginning. Played age 20 season at AA. Had injury problems and then eventually, crushed AA and AAA at age 24 to the tune of 32 home runs. Since he's played most of his career in the OF you'd think he's at least serviceable (better than Viciedo). Will his minor league success translate to the majors? Who knows. But he was expected by a playoff team to potentially be their starting 1B going into 2014. His poor spring lead to their signing Ike Davis. He'd be in that competition again this year, if it weren't for Pedro Alvarez inability to play 3B. It's an Eaton-esque situation, aside from Lambo not having played much in MLB at all. Who would you rather have from the Pirates, Lambo or Snider? If I had to chose it would be Snider based on he's had some major league success whereas Lambo is still looking for his shot. But, I would take a chance on Lambo and trading for him is probably the more realistic scenario since the Pirates seem to have plans for Snider. Not sure what the cost for Lambo would be but it cannot be that high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 08:07 AM) I hate to disappoint, but the dodger want to try to free up 2 spots in the outfield b/c of Pederson and Schebler. they already have him earmark for their OF of the future. this was already stated in a article about 2 weeks ago. I'm not disappointed because the Dodgers will have trouble moving Ethier, Crawford or Kemp unless they eat big money .If they want to move Ethier and Crawford have fun biting the bullet Dodgers and then Schebler still wouldn't be in their OF unless he passes up Pederson because of Joc's massive amount of K's. Considering Pederson was rated 34 of the top 100 prospects Schebler moving ahead of him isn't likely and as Chili said Verdugo rated higher also. Edited November 18, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 02:20 AM) I'm not disappointed because the Dodgers will have trouble moving Ethier, Crawford or Kemp unless they eat big money .If they want to move Ethier and Crawford have fun biting the bullet Dodgers and then Schebler still wouldn't be in their OF unless he passes up Pederson because of Joc's massive amount of K's. Considering Pederson was rated 34 of the top 100 prospects Schebler moving ahead of him isn't likely and as Chili said Verdugo rated higher also. damn, wasn't there an article on Pederson, he may not be ready next yr??? I may be wrong here but I can't remember the details. with the other OF'ers. as I have said, the dodgers need to move at least two of what they have, and they might be in a mode of urgency. I wonder what kind of package they can put together for the sox to bite and bail them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 05:38 PM) damn, wasn't there an article on Pederson, he may not be ready next yr??? I may be wrong here but I can't remember the details. with the other OF'ers. as I have said, the dodgers need to move at least two of what they have, and they might be in a mode of urgency. I wonder what kind of package they can put together for the sox to bite and bail them out. http://www.truebluela.com/2014/10/13/69663...odgers-outfield from this article sounds like he's damn close to being ready. Pederson was the Pacific Coast League MVP in 2014 with Triple-A Albuquerque, hitting .303/.435/.582 with 33 home runs, 30 stolen bases and 100 walks. He was the first 30-30 player in the PCL in 80 years, and earned his first major league call-up when rosters expanded in September. He played in 18 of the Dodgers' 25 games in September, starting three games in center field. He was just 4-for-28 (.143) at the plate with 11 strikeouts, but also walked nine times and put up a .351 on-base percentage. Maybe the Dodger OF the Sox are interested in is Van Slyke. He had a really good year in limited AB's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 18, 2014 -> 02:45 AM) http://www.truebluela.com/2014/10/13/69663...odgers-outfield from this article sounds like he's damn close to being ready. Pederson was the Pacific Coast League MVP in 2014 with Triple-A Albuquerque, hitting .303/.435/.582 with 33 home runs, 30 stolen bases and 100 walks. He was the first 30-30 player in the PCL in 80 years, and earned his first major league call-up when rosters expanded in September. He played in 18 of the Dodgers' 25 games in September, starting three games in center field. He was just 4-for-28 (.143) at the plate with 11 strikeouts, but also walked nine times and put up a .351 on-base percentage. Maybe the Dodger OF the Sox are interested in is Van Slyke. He had a really good year in limited AB's. I will admit this, I know nothing of Van Slyke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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