Bob Sacamano Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Definitely could see him getting extended. Maybe Piscotty and Grichuk become expendable now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Great deal for the Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Interesting. I assume the Cardinals are confident that they can get Heyward extended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) Interesting. I assume the Cardinals are confident that they can get Heyward extended. If I'm Heyward, I sign an extension tomorrow. That team consistently competes in the playoffs and young enough where they will for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:18 AM) If I'm Heyward, I sign an extension tomorrow. That team consistently competes in the playoffs and young enough where they will for a while. Ya but it's his first chance at hitting the open market and he has a chance to make A LOT of money so we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Nice to see Atlanta getting taken advantage of when their rebuilding starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:21 AM) Ya but it's his first chance at hitting the open market and he has a chance to make A LOT of money so we'll see. Exactly. I think money will take precedence over the team's chances to win over the next few years. If they offer him a market deal, he will sign with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 They basically HAVE to move an OF now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'd have liked to get Shelby Miller or Hayward. Braves better think they can get Miller back on track to being the front-line guy he looked like a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Even though he's right handed, I would love to get Piscotty. Not sure what the Cards would want in return or if the Sox have what the Cards would want. Cards are so loaded with young talent, I don't see how the Sox could swing a trade with them unless Q's name became involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:30 AM) They basically HAVE to move an OF now. I don't think they have to... They have Holiday (no one's going to take him with his contract at this point in his career), Jay, Heyward, and Bourjos. And let's face it, Bourjos is a 4th OFer at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Well this stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Miller was a top 10 prospect no so long ago and still has done a decent job on the major league level and is controlled for several more years. I don't understand why some think this is a steal. The Braves usually don't make really bad trades. Edited November 17, 2014 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 09:47 AM) Miller was a top 10 prospect no so long ago and still has done a decent job on the major league level and is controlled for several more years. I don't understand why some think this is a steal. The Braves usually don't make really bad trades. Exactly. If the Braves think they can get Miller to be that front of the rotation guy most envisioned him as, then it turns into a pretty good deal for them, especially when you factor in the finances of it. Braves are definitely taking the bigger gamble though. From a risk perspective, the bulk of the risk would appear to be on the Braves vs. St. Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 This is the full deal SportsCenter @SportsCenter 45m45 minutes ago BREAKING: Braves trade OF Jason Heyward & RHP Jordan Walden to Cardinals for RHP Shelby Miller & RHP Tyrell Jenkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 11:44 AM) Even though he's right handed, I would love to get Piscotty. Not sure what the Cards would want in return or if the Sox have what the Cards would want. Cards are so loaded with young talent, I don't see how the Sox could swing a trade with them unless Q's name became involved. Piscotty's a guy I have wanted all along as well. .288/.355/.406 last year in AAA. Not a ton of power (only 9 HRs), but a good overall hitter who was very young for his level (age 23). Q's out of the question, but something a notch down from that would interest me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 12:47 PM) Miller was a top 10 prospect no so long ago and still has done a decent job on the major league level and is controlled for several more years. I don't understand why some think this is a steal. The Braves usually don't make really bad trades. Miller was showing signs of a collapse in his stuff. I think I saw somewhere that his swinging strike rate HALVED over the course of one year. So I think that's it. Otherwise, 5 years of control for one year of Heyward would be hard to stomach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 12:44 PM) I don't think they have to... They have Holiday (no one's going to take him with his contract at this point in his career), Jay, Heyward, and Bourjos. And let's face it, Bourjos is a 4th OFer at this point. Plus Piscotty and Grichuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 06:01 PM) The Cardinals have depth everywhere. They're the most insulated team in baseball. Projected lineup of: Carpenter, Heyward, Holiday, Adams, Peralta, Molina, Jay, Wong Rotation: Wainwright, Lynn, Lackey, Wacha, Gonzales/Garcia/Martinez Bullpen: Rosenthal, Walden, Maness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 06:06 PM) Plus Piscotty and Grichuk Beckham would actually be a great bench fit for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Heyward takes Taveras' spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 12:04 PM) Piscotty's a guy I have wanted all along as well. .288/.355/.406 last year in AAA. Not a ton of power (only 9 HRs), but a good overall hitter who was very young for his level (age 23). Q's out of the question, but something a notch down from that would interest me. But would it interest the Cards? What do the Sox have to offer that the Cards don't already have? I agree with Q being out of the question, I just don't see the Cards being interested in anything the Sox have outside of Q. I leave Sale and Abreu out for obvious reasons. The Cards are so deep, the Sox could make an offer and the Cards could match or beat the return with what they already have. I really respect the hell out of the Cards for their scouting, drafting and player development abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruni Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Time for Hahn to call St. Louis and scoop up Peter Bourjos. Almost got him a year ago and an ideal 4th outfielder who (when healthy) is better than Shuck and miles better than Danks. Underrated pop in bat plus speed and plus defense - just needs to stay healthy (easier said than done for him). Nice low cost/low risk pick up that should be right in Hahn's wheelhouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 12:17 PM) But would it interest the Cards? What do the Sox have to offer that the Cards don't already have? I agree with Q being out of the question, I just don't see the Cards being interested in anything the Sox have outside of Q. I leave Sale and Abreu out for obvious reasons. The Cards are so deep, the Sox could make an offer and the Cards could match or beat the return with what they already have. I really respect the hell out of the Cards for their scouting, drafting and player development abilities. It would have to be somewhat-random minor leaguers, I guess. They are pretty stacked everywhere. Their infield is crowded as well, so Semien/Johnson/Sanchez probably wouldn't interest them. Hahn may have to get creative, and persuasive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Nov 17, 2014 -> 12:34 PM) It would have to be somewhat-random minor leaguers, I guess. They are pretty stacked everywhere. Their infield is crowded as well, so Semien/Johnson/Sanchez probably wouldn't interest them. Hahn may have to get creative, and persuasive! That's why I mentioned Q. Q for Piscotty and a few of the Cards young starters the Cards don't have room for makes more sense than say for example, Bassitt for Piscotty. What do the Cards need with Bassitt? To us Bassitt is a good young talent to have but to the Cards, not so much. Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating trading Q and the above was just thrown out there as an example but I just don't see how the Sox could get a young talent like Piscotty from the Cards. Hopefully I'm under estimating Hahn's creativeness. A trade for Piscotty and the signing of Melky would make the Sox outfield look so much better defensively and offensively. I know, I'm dreaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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