Dick Allen Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) His bat is clearly an upgrade, at least for two seasons....but his defense isn't very good. Certainly, that's better than what we saw out of LF in 2013/14, but how much is it actually worth? Are the Sox willing to go to 4 years for a player beginning the downside of his career? Signing Cabrera might only leave $10 million of new spending on the table, and that's going to have to pay for a DH, a closer and a 3 starter in the rotation. Not possible without trading Ramirez and/or dumping Danks and going with Semien/Sanchez/L.Garcia at SS. Until he started juicing, he used to be a good defender. He can throw. One good thing is if he gets suspended the Sox won't have to pay him. Does anyone really think he didn't juice in 2014? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:05 AM) 1) The White Sox are being or have been attached to about 2/3rd's of the free agents out there, other than Scherzer/Shields/H.Ramirez/R.Martin/Cruz. 2) To our knowledge, not a single contract offer has been made. (We do know the Cubs were 2nd in the Martin sweepstakes and were in the $60-65 million range and considering budging on the additional year. Of course, like the Sox many times, finishing second doesn't get a trophy or banner in the outfield.) When it comes to signing free agents, second place is definitely the first loser...at least until the performance of said free agent to analyzed. Whoever was in second place in the Abreu sweepstakes might very well be kicking themselves. Second place in the Tanaka sweepstakes probably feels pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 10:10 AM) His bat is clearly an upgrade, at least for two seasons....but his defense isn't very good. Certainly, that's better than what we saw out of LF in 2013/14, but how much is it actually worth? Are the Sox willing to go to 4 years for a player beginning the downside of his career? Signing Cabrera might only leave $10 million of new spending on the table, and that's going to have to pay for a DH, a closer and a 3 starter in the rotation. Not possible without trading Ramirez and/or dumping Danks and going with Semien/Sanchez/L.Garcia at SS. I'm okay with it, assuming he comes in around $12m per year. He's a solid bat that can partake in a rotating rest-the-corners DH situation, and he can DH more often if his age begins to diminish his defense. And, for now, he'd represent a defensive UPGRADE in the corners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 I've been meaning to make a thread about "Who bats 2nd" because I've grown tired of seeing Lexi ground into DPs but man, I didn't realize the 2 hole was THAT bad at getting on base. A .279 OBP??! Yikes. Fixing that ahead of Abreu and coupled with Eaton should go a long way in helping the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:12 AM) Until he started juicing, he used to be a good defender. He can throw. One good thing is if he gets suspended the Sox won't have to pay him. Does anyone really think he didn't juice in 2014? I also don't think that scenario is part of the "dream package" KW promised, either. We might as well hire MAYHEM from the All-State Commercials to patrol LF in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) I've been meaning to make a thread about "Who bats 2nd" because I've grown tired of seeing Lexi ground into DPs but man, I didn't realize the 2 hole was THAT bad at getting on base. A .279 OBP??! Yikes. Fixing that ahead of Abreu and coupled with Eaton should go a long way in helping the offense. See Gordon Beckham's stat line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 No thanks on Cabrera. I hope taking his time finding a new team means the Sox will move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) See Gordon Beckham's stat line. After looking more into it, Lexi was only 3 points higher (.280 vs .277) in the OBP department. OBP golden boy Marcus Semien had the worst of all of em with a .262. It certainly would be nice if Semien starts getting on base like he did in the minors, but so far he hasn't showed it, and with that said I'd love to add a #2 hitter, and Melky seems to fit that bill really well. Edited November 20, 2014 by scs787 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:15 AM) I also don't think that scenario is part of the "dream package" KW promised, either. We might as well hire MAYHEM from the All-State Commercials to patrol LF in that case. We already have MAYHEM in left field. His name is Dayan Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:14 AM) I'm okay with it, assuming he comes in around $12m per year. He's a solid bat that can partake in a rotating rest-the-corners DH situation, and he can DH more often if his age begins to diminish his defense. And, for now, he'd represent a defensive UPGRADE in the corners. Yeah definitely would rather see him go after fly balls than Viciedo or Garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I'd rather go for broke and trade Alexei Ramirez and B pieces for Cespedes + Craig, Middlebrooks OR Bradley, Jr...but that wouldn't even make any sense unless they could extend Cespedes, who's reportedly asking for a $100+ million contract (which probably isn't even warranted). Edited November 20, 2014 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Ready to hear groans on this one but if micah johnson comes into spring training and plays really well then him and Eaton are my 1/2 punch at the top of the order. Johnson gets on and steals bases with Eaton being able to handle the bat behind him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear_brian Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:10 AM) His bat is clearly an upgrade, at least for two seasons....but his defense isn't very good. Certainly, that's better than what we saw out of LF in 2013/14, but how much is it actually worth? Are the Sox willing to go to 4 years for a player beginning the downside of his career? Signing Cabrera might only leave $10 million of new spending on the table, and that's going to have to pay for a DH, a closer and a 3 starter in the rotation. Not possible without trading Ramirez and/or dumping Danks and going with Semien/Sanchez/L.Garcia at SS. Not sure where you are getting the $10 million remaining number from. The Sox could go anywhere from $90 to $100 million total payroll. Right now, including Viciedo's estimated $4.5 million, the total is about $ 62 million. that could leave them with as much as $40 million to spend - $14M for Melky, $9M for Kendry Morales, $12M for McCarthy, Masterson, Maeda or Hammel, and $5M for Luke Gregerson is one way of spending that money. Getting Cabrera as a switch hitter, and getting Kendry Morales as a switcher, greatly improves the overall lineup and its flexibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 Go get him Hahn! I really hope the Sox can land Melky. It will much easier on the eyes watching him play LF than Tank. Sign Melky and hopefully the Sox can pick up another starting corner outfielder via trade somehow. f*** it, let's get after Headley too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:11 AM) Sign Melky and hopefully the Sox can pick up another starting corner outfielder No faith in Avi Garcia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:16 AM) No faith in Avi Garcia? He's thinking 4 good OF's so we can rotate 1 a day at DH instead of aquiring a DH. Getting Rasmus semi affordably would be an option since his defense is better than Avi or Melky's with hitting upside could work out and certainly his power is a major plus. They all get rested hopefully keeping them fresher by playing DH once a week. Edited November 20, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:16 AM) No faith in Avi Garcia? QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:22 AM) He's thinking 4 good OF's so we can rotate 1 a day at DH instead of aquiring a DH. Getting Rasmus semi affordably would be an option since his defense is better than Avi or Melky's with hitting upside could work out and certainly his power is a major plus. They all get rested hopefully keeping them fresher by playing DH once a week. That's what I'm talking about!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 If Conor is still on the roster come st, I wonder if he starts to see some time in the outfield. Anywho, staying on topic, I think Melky makes a ton of sense for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:28 AM) That's what I'm talking about!!! Rasmus can also play CF which we will need when Eaton runs into a fence that doesn't agree with him. We wouldn't need a LaRoche then and there's just no upside to LaRoche like there is for Rasmus . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:31 AM) If Conor is still on the roster come st, I wonder if he starts to see some time in the outfield. Anywho, staying on topic, I think Melky makes a ton of sense for the Sox. I keep seeing that but I really think it's very very unlikely. Semien yes Conor no. Just think he's too invested at 3rd base and not enough foot speed for it to be a viable option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:39 AM) I keep seeing that but I really think it's very very unlikely. Semien yes Conor no. Just think he's too invested at 3rd base and not enough foot speed for it to be a viable option. I probably should have added if we decide to upgrade at 3b. Obviously it doesn't make a ton of sense to try him out there if he's our starting 3b, my bad ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDWhiteSoxFan Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 When I began my off season mock I had thought about him. But him turning down the QO from Toronto doesn't that mean we give up a pick to sign him? If so which pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 11:36 AM) Rasmus can also play CF which we will need when Eaton runs into a fence that doesn't agree with him. We wouldn't need a LaRoche then and there's just no upside to LaRoche like there is for Rasmus . This is true. I'm not against the idea of signing Rasmus based on his potential upside and age. He does bring power from the left side no doubt. Rasmus will not cost a comp pick either will he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 QUOTE (MDWhiteSoxFan @ Nov 20, 2014 -> 09:46 AM) When I began my off season mock I had thought about him. But him turning down the QO from Toronto doesn't that mean we give up a pick to sign him? If so which pick? 2nd round. 1st round is protected. Any free agent after that who rejected a QO we sign would be a 3rd rd pick and so it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted November 20, 2014 Share Posted November 20, 2014 When I began my off season mock I had thought about him. But him turning down the QO from Toronto doesn't that mean we give up a pick to sign him? If so which pick? Yes, signing anybody who received a QO would cost the Sox their 2nd round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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