Sox sign Melky Cabrera

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

This is true. I'm not against the idea of signing Rasmus based on his potential upside and age. He does bring power from the left side no doubt.

 

Rasmus will not cost a comp pick either will he?

Nope he's a freebie.

[BlackSox13]

Nope he's a freebie.

Works for me.

 

Isn't Rasmus projected to get something like 10M annually? Thought I had seen that somewhere but not sure.

[justBLAZE]

I can see Mariners grabbing him, he's buddy buddy with Robbie Cano.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Works for me.

 

Isn't Rasmus projected to get something like 10M annually? Thought I had seen that somewhere but not sure.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/free...lby-rasmus.html Should answer every Rasmus question anyone needs to ask.

[BlackSox13]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/free...lby-rasmus.html Should answer every Rasmus question anyone needs to ask.

I thank you again sir.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I thank you again sir.

When reading that make sure you click the accompaning links for even more in depth knowledge. Based on his interview he thinks the artificial turf hurt him and if he truly believes that then a natural grass field like the Sox have would be ideal for him . I also think if the Sox kick the tires on him they should bring along Thome and Konerko as guys who can school Colby on staying even keeled and not letting the day to day grind or results weigh on him. Thome especially as a power and high K guy like Rasmus could be beneficial .

 

If he performed well here I think he would become a fan favorite.

 

[southsider2k5]

Rasmus strikes me more and more as a guy who isn't very mentally tough, is prone to pouting and excuse making, and doesn't respond well to adversity. There is always something wrong.

[Chisoxfn]

Rasmus strikes me more and more as a guy who isn't very mentally tough, is prone to pouting and excuse making, and doesn't respond well to adversity. There is always something wrong.

I agree with you. I really don't like the idea of Rasmus, unless it is a one year deal with options where we have some upside. I much prefer Cabrera at 3 yrs 40M or so (even 45M).

[southsider2k5]

I agree with you. I really don't like the idea of Rasmus, unless it is a one year deal with options where we have some upside. I much prefer Cabrera at 3 yrs 40M or so (even 45M).

 

I think Cabrera is probably the best of the realistic matches for what this team needs. The one hang up is are the Sox willing to over look his past.

[LDF]

I think Cabrera is probably the best of the realistic matches for what this team needs. The one hang up is are the Sox willing to over look his past.

wow, that must hurt to say that.

 

i know you and I were against him b/c of the ped.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Rasmus strikes me more and more as a guy who isn't very mentally tough, is prone to pouting and excuse making, and doesn't respond well to adversity. There is always something wrong.

You might have said the same thing about Konerko early on who was very intense and let his day to day struggles weigh on him. When he learned to let go of those things he became a better player.

 

You and I will probably always disagree when I hear you or anyone say a guy isn't mentally tough or other talk about mental midgets. No one is inside the guys head. Sometimes you question your abilities or your coaches constantly searching for answers. To me that is a guy who cares a lot , maybe too much , trying to please everyone instead of letting his talent take over.

 

When he gives an interview he opened up whereas other guys will give you stock answers knowing any complaint will be perceived as a weakness. It's not easy being in the public eye and other players just learn "shut up and play" is the best response because otherwise you set yourself up to be judged.

 

His age , power, LH-ness and above avg OF skills when healthy make him a natural fit for the Sox . He might be the only non pitcher the Sox have a shot at who is capable of giving you a 4.5 WAR .

[flavum]

I think Cabrera is probably the best of the realistic matches for what this team needs. The one hang up is are the Sox willing to over look his past.

 

If anyone needs a refresher...

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8282185/...use-report-says

 

Just my two cents...

 

I'm not naive to think that the Sox or the other 29 teams don't players doing stuff, but it turns my stomach when decent players get caught trying to get the big payday.

 

I hate this guy, and I don't want the Sox to get him. It still bugs me that Canseco and Manny wore the Sox uniform....(or wife beaters like Brett Myers get traded for.)

 

And yes, I know Quintana and Flowers got caught before their major league careers, but I can understand youthful stupidity more than players in the union still doing PEDs--and then lying about it, or throwing people under the bus.

[BlackSox13]

When reading that make sure you click the accompaning links for even more in depth knowledge. Based on his interview he thinks the artificial turf hurt him and if he truly believes that then a natural grass field like the Sox have would be ideal for him . I also think if the Sox kick the tires on him they should bring along Thome and Konerko as guys who can school Colby on staying even keeled and not letting the day to day grind or results weigh on him. Thome especially as a power and high K guy like Rasmus could be beneficial .

 

If he performed well here I think he would become a fan favorite.

Agree with everything you say here. I'm going to start clicking on the links and reading more about him since I believe he is a very realistic option.

 

Rasmus strikes me more and more as a guy who isn't very mentally tough, is prone to pouting and excuse making, and doesn't respond well to adversity. There is always something wrong.

So he's a younger and cheaper version of what the Dodgers have to offer. I like the idea of Rasmus even more now. At least over the options the Dodgers have to offer.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I think Cabrera is probably the best of the realistic matches for what this team needs. The one hang up is are the Sox willing to over look his past.

I think Melky is the better choice for consistent production but he costs that 2nd rounder whereas Rasmus is the choice for either a short term or longer term contract, better fielding, higher upside , and more team flexibility since he can play CF during an Eaton absence and no draft choice attached.

Edited November 20, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[southsider2k5]

You might have said the same thing about Konerko early on who was very intense and let his day to day struggles weigh on him. When he learned to let go of those things he became a better player.

 

You and I will probably always disagree when I hear you or anyone say a guy isn't mentally tough or other talk about mental midgets. No one is inside the guys head. Sometimes you question your abilities or your coaches constantly searching for answers. To me that is a guy who cares a lot , maybe too much , trying to please everyone instead of letting his talent take over.

 

When he gives an interview he opened up whereas other guys will give you stock answers knowing any complaint will be perceived as a weakness. It's not easy being in the public eye and other players just learn "shut up and play" is the best response because otherwise you set yourself up to be judged.

 

His age , power, LH-ness and above avg OF skills when healthy make him a natural fit for the Sox . He might be the only non pitcher the Sox have a shot at who is capable of giving you a 4.5 WAR .

 

I never remember Konerko having any of these issues. You never heard about him not getting along with teammates or working with coaches. I never remembering him complain about things, and finding something to blame for his problems. As a matter of a fact it was always after the fact that someone else came out and told us that something had been wrong for months, but he hadn't said anything about it.

[LDF]

 

this has been said by me early in the offseason, but Tony LaRussa even

alluded to it to the press.

 

Rumas may be talented, however he comes with baggage and the #1 is

his father.

 

as anybody know the history of a young Jimmy Piersall????

 

but maybe there was a improvement there. FYI that is the reason

the sox passed on him.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I never remember Konerko having any of these issues. You never heard about him not getting along with teammates or working with coaches. I never remembering him complain about things, and finding something to blame for his problems. As a matter of a fact it was always after the fact that someone else came out and told us that something had been wrong for months, but he hadn't said anything about it.

I just think it's the easy way to be critical of someone's mental capacity when you're making judgments based off internet or newspaper accounts of things.The hard way is to get to know the person or his background thorughly which can't be done so all we have is the easy, critical path or non judgement which is no fun.

 

WhatMelky's done is far worse than anything Rasmus has done if you base it on what baseball allows and what it doesn't allow. Does that matter to me ? Nope. Start fresh with the Sox and live up to your talent and the fans will adore you.

[southsider2k5]

I just think it's the easy way to be critical of someone's mental capacity when you're making judgments based off internet or newspaper accounts of things.The hard way is to get to know the person or his background thorughly which can't be done so all we have is the easy, critical path or non judgement which is no fun.

 

WhatMelky's done is far worse than anything Rasmus has done if you base it on what baseball allows and what it doesn't allow. Does that matter to me ? Nope. Start fresh with the Sox and live up to your talent and the fans will adore you.

 

When you have a Hall of Fame manager asking the same questions, it adds a whole lot more weight than any random internet stuff. It isn't like this is being made up.

[Dick Allen]

I really don't think the White Sox want a guy who won't listen to their coaches when he is struggling.

 

LaRussa and Rasmus hated each other. LaRussa and JR are tight. I am sure if there is some interest, that probably is a call that is made. I really doubt JR pays this guy 8 figures.

[AlSoxfan]

I'm just not interested in Melky. I don't like him. He strikes me as a guy who plays for money an fame and not for the love of the game. I think he'll cost to much an I would't want him for as long as the contract he's seeking(5 yrs.) I think we'd be much better off with Rasmus with a shorter and cheaper contract. I'm still waiting to see whats out on the trade market though.

[LDF]

I'm just not interested in Melky. I don't like him. He strikes me as a guy who plays for

money an fame and not for the love of the game. I think he'll cost to much an I would't want him for as long as the contract he's seeking(5 yrs.) I think we'd be much better off with Rasmus with a shorter and cheaper contract. I'm still waiting to see whats out on the trade market though.

 

with all due respect, name me a player who doesn't play for the

money and love of the game.

 

[chitownsportsfan]

I'm just not interested in Melky. I don't like him. He strikes me as a guy who plays for money an fame and not for the love of the game. I think he'll cost to much an I would't want him for as long as the contract he's seeking(5 yrs.) I think we'd be much better off with Rasmus with a shorter and cheaper contract. I'm still waiting to see whats out on the trade market though.

 

Funny story about Melky (note: I don't think what you're arguing is true, just for the record).

 

My buddy and I were sitting in CF at yankee stadium and the Yankees were doing their usual around the horn fan intros. Well, Melky got his last, as per usual for the CF, and it was just his luck that the first pitch was swung on and hit deep to CF. Melky was still tipping his cap to the crowd when the ball was hit and he got an awful jump and missed the ball by a couple feet.

 

It would have been a routine play. The jeers from the crowd were awesome.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

When you have a Hall of Fame manager asking the same questions, it adds a whole lot more weight than any random internet stuff. It isn't like this is being made up.

I just want to move away from his "head" and more into his talent and fit with the Sox . His upside, if realized, is very high and a potential 4.5 WAR guy who's done it before and is only 28 can't be ignored . If I had to pick one or the other sure it would be Cabrera but I'm greedy I want both unless it costs the Sox a chance to add a quality starter.

He doesn't seem like a bad guy and he knows he is to blame more than anyone. http://www.thestar.com/sports/baseball/201...y_la_russa.html

 

LaRussa too has his critics but if wins are the most important things then I guess that makes his personality a winner too. SO simple so in depth.

Edited November 20, 2014 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I really don't think the White Sox want a guy who won't listen to their coaches when he is struggling.

 

LaRussa and Rasmus hated each other. LaRussa and JR are tight. I am sure if there is some interest, that probably is a call that is made. I really doubt JR pays this guy 8 figures.

All that stuff is 3 years old . He has had good working relationships with a few of his hitting coaches since then.

[Balta1701]

All that stuff is 3 years old . He has had good working relationships with a few of his hitting coaches since then.

Except the same stuff seemingly led to him being benched down the stretch last year after another terrible season.